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muddawber Guardian1000© Member 
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One thing we don't need, or most of us, is help from you on discerning what the Baha'i agenda is. You have made it clear enough about the New/One World Order, as well as have the writings of the Baha'i organization. You can talk in circles all you want, and put up all the smoke screens you like, but the truth is there. As for keeping the Baha'i faith in the forefront, yes, we are, only to expose it for what it is. A religion that is hell bent on helping to establish this New/One World Order, with them as the One Religion in that order. Last edited on 03:38 pm by muddawber |
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Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true?
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true? Yes, freeman. We would like an honest answer to this.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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muddawber wrote: Free.man Dear friend, Yes, there are facts in the Baha'i writings, however, attempting to use those facts to prove evil intent is another fact present here. Your rub is, the Baha'i Faith, unlike Christianity, has a clear and present chain of authority in it's Scriptures. You can use that for your own interests, which is fine with me, but you will just continue to spread the Baha'i Faith to a broader audience because of it. Now that's mon'do! It's just me, but, I would think that if I was out to impact another religion I'd try to know enough about it to support my claims. That's just me. I've found that JBF may be a "closet Baha'i" in real life because he writes the darndest things. I can't believe the depths of ignorance that comes from his direction. JBF definately seems "challenged". However, I got to love the guy for his efforts to keep the Baha'i Faith at the forefront of just about every thread here on 24. Now you know as well as I do that JBFis no dumb i.e. downer. He may even be a Free.man alter ego ;O) Free  man
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Free.man Original500© Member
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muddawber wrote: One thing we don't need, or most of us, is help from you on discerning what the Baha'i agenda is. You have made it clear enough about the New/One World Order, as well as have the writings of the Baha'i organization. You can talk in circles all you want, and put up all the smoke screens you like, but the truth is there. Dear friend, No s*it, Holms!(no mans an island) Expose away! God knows I love mon'do and, and I'm a happy guy! Free  man
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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Free.manDear friend, I can't believe, or maybe I can, the lengths you will go to, to not answer a question. No, JBF is not a closet Baha'i, nor is he your alter ego. And yes, we will spread the Baha'i faith to a broader audience, but it will not be to the furtherance of your faith, but rather to expose it for what it is. Yes, there will be a lot of people who will be blinded by the razzle dazzle of your high ideals, but there will also be those who will not fall for it. There is only going to be one outcome, and I think deep down inside, you know what that is.
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true? Here is an answer for you Frank, scince the Baha'i won't give a straight forward answer. Concerning the proceedings for this world gathering, `Abdu'l-Bahá, the son of Bahá'u'lláh and authorized interpreter of his teachings, offered these insights: "They must make the Cause of Peace the object of general consultation, and seek by every means in their power to establish a Union of the nations of the world. They must conclude a binding treaty and establish a covenant, the provisions of which shall be sound, inviolable and definite. They must proclaim it to all the world and obtain for it the sanction of all the human race. This supreme and noble undertaking--the real source of the peace and well-being of all the world--should be regarded as sacred by all that dwell on earth. All the forces of humanity must be mobilized to ensure the stability and permanence of this Most Great Covenant. In this all-embracing Pact the limits and frontiers of each and every nation should be clearly fixed, the principles underlying the relations of governments towards one another definitely laid down, and all international agreements and obligations ascertained. In like manner, the size of the armaments of every government should be strictly limited, for if the preparations for war and the military forces of any nation should be allowed to increase, they will arouse the suspicion of others. The fundamental principle underlying this solemn Pact should be so fixed that if any government later violate any one of its provisions, all the governments on earth should arise to reduce it to utter submission, nay the human race as a whole should resolve, with every power at its disposal, to destroy that government. Should this greatest of all remedies be applied to the sick body of the world, it will assuredly recover from its ills and will remain eternally safe and secure." The holding of this mighty convocation is long overdue. With all the ardour of our hearts, we appeal to the leaders of all nations to seize this opportune moment and take irreversible steps to convoke this world meeting. All the forces of history impel the human race towards this act which will mark for all time the dawn of its long-awaited maturity. Will not the United Nations, with the full support of its membership, rise to the high purposes of such a crowning event?
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That just made the Bahai faith seem A LOT scarier to me. No offense, but that was creepy ...
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muddawber wrote: Free.man I thought that was one of your best posts, ever!  Even putting right and wrong aside ...
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true? When I read this, along with the other posts in this thread, it ticks me off the way popeye and free.man have played around with me when I asked them about their UN affiliation. I feel like this is a deceitful religion!
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They want to make the U.N. Bahai headquarters. There, I said it!
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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"Let there be no misgivings as to the animating purpose of the world-wide Law of Bahá'u'lláh. Far from aiming at the subversion of the existing foundations of society, it seeks to broaden its basis, to remould its institutions in a manner consonant with the needs of an ever-changing world. It can conflict with no legitimate allegiances, nor can it undermine essential loyalties. Its purpose is neither to stifle the flame of a sane and intelligent patriotism in men's hearts, nor to abolish the system of national autonomy so essential if the evils of excessive centralization are to be avoided. It does not ignore, nor does it attempt to suppress the diversity of ethnical origins, of climate, of history, of language and tradition, of thought and habit, that differentiate the peoples and nations of the world. It calls for a wider loyalty, for a larger aspiration than any that has animated the human race. It insists upon the subordination of national impulses and interests to the imperative claims of a unified world. It repudiates excessive centralization on one hand, and disclaims all attempts at uniformity on the other. Its watchword is unity in diversity such as 'Abdu'l-Bahá Himself has explained. Its [the principle of the Oneness of Mankind] implications are deeper, its claims greater than any which the Prophets of old were allowed to advance. Its message is applicable not only to the individual, but concerns itself primarily with the nature of those essential relationships that must bind all the states and nations as members of one human family. It does not constitute merely the enunciation of an ideal, but stands inseparably associated with an institution adequate to embody its truth, demonstrate its validity, and perpetuate its influence. It implies an organic change in the structure of present-day society, a change such as the world has not yet experienced. It constitutes a challenge, at once bold and universal, to outworn shibboleths of national creeds -- creeds that 179 have had their day and which must, in the ordinary course of events as shaped and controlled by Providence, give way to a new gospel, fundamentally different from, and infinitely superior to, what the world has already conceived. It calls for no less that the reconstruction and the demilitarization of the whole civilized world -- a world organically unified in all the essential aspects of its life, its political machinery, its spiritual aspiration, its trade and finance, its script and language, and yet infinite in the diversity of the national characteristics of its federated units. It represents the consummation of human evolution -- an evolution that has had its earliest beginnings in the birth of family life, its subsequent development in the achievement of tribal solidarity, leading in turn to the constitution of the city-state, and expanding later into the institution of independent and sovereign nations." (Compilations, The Compilation of Compilations vol II, p. 178)
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muddawber Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: They want to make the U.N. Bahai headquarters. There, I said it! No, Frank. They want their own headquarters. The UN is only a vehicle to attain their goal.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true? Dear friend, Baha'u'llah states and Baha'is believe there *IS* only one religion; eternal in the past and eternal in the future. Baha'u'llah predicts that some time in the future there will be a coming together of religions(whether any of us like it or not). This will be a unit in diversity. Everyone will maintain their individual identities. As I said before, Baha'is are not trying to bring about what we believe is inevitable. Baha'is are currently trying to help establish ways to lessen the painful process and have an alternative when previous systems fail. The Baha'i Faith is an NGO at the UN. Baha'is did not set up the UN nor does the Baha'i Faith participate in the governance thereof. However, currently the UN, as good or as bad as it is, is the one of it's kind, so the Baha'is try to help the UN help others until and or unless some other system arises that is willing or able to do a better job of it. Baha'is know there will always be separate nations, customs, languages, needs, societies and so on. The "New world order" was a term used in Baha'i Writings quite often. A world court, world leaders, world banks and so forth are also not created by the Baha'i Faith. Baha'u'llah says these will come about. The Baha'is will not control these things. It is and will be a painful process of a world that needs to change. The Baha'is are becoming more willing and more able to help deal with these issues and help relieve the pain that such changes will bring about. A one world government is predicted in the Baha'i Faith. I understand it as being similar to the US Federal Governmant that has a Job similar to State governments; which is like county governments; which is like city governments and so on. They have their own responsibilities and their own jurisdictions. They also have their own problems. Baha'is support such a notion and try to help develop ways to help the world develop in a less painful way. Now we all have choices. We can, like some here, fixate on some OWG monster or we can, like others here fixate on some OWG that is part of the next stage of world development that will have it's up side and it's down side. So, yes there is alot said about this in the Baha'i writings. However, concentrating on a few quotes out of the hundreds of thousands of Baha'i quotes on the subject is not going to help people understand what is really contained therein. Free.man
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Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Free.man, is it true that the Bahai want and seek those things? For one religion, U.N. over all, no separate Nations eventually, guns taken away, etc.? Any of that "one Government" stuff true? Free.man, this tells me that what Mud and JBF are saying is true. I think the Catholics have their hands full! You're going to give them a run for their money.........
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