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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote:"So then the Bahais seek a new world order with Bahai center stage, basically." JBF says, "Basically"... it's another concept of biblical twisting where instead of Jesus "physically" reigning on earth for the 1000 years with believers they assume that it's there mission in which "they" are the ones who will do it themselves for Him. It's an upside-down backwards approach.
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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Hi everyone, Dale at Planet Baha'i has been following along and offers a few more thoughts... _________________________ The Baha'i Faith has nothing whatsoever in common with the eschatological expectations of a "new world order" based on literal readings of Biblical prophecy. That "new world order" is brought about by the Antichrist, as I recall, who is viewed as a particular individual who gains political power, unites nations, controls economic activity, and the like. But he actually fails to unite the entire world, because a coalition of other nations ends up battling him at Armageddon. The Baha'i Faith says (as I pointed out previously) that first the leaders of all nations must at some point conclude a treaty fixing borders, limiting arms levels, and pledging collective security. The nations themselves do this. The Baha'is do not do it. The Baha'i Faith does not do it. We might put some relevant ideas out there, but it's not up to us to do it. So if the leaders of the nations themselves don't do it, then it won't be done. Second, the Baha'i Faith says, people must of their own volition recognize Baha'u'llah as the Manifestation of God for this age. Only when that happens in sufficient numbers can the Most Great Peace be established. If it never happens, then it never happens. So there is no great political leader involved here. There is no forcible uniting of the nations. There is no forcible control of economic activity. The system does not break down in a terrible battle. This vision has nothing whatsoever to do with what some call a "new world order" associated with Biblical prophecy. Of course, we do hold that the prophecies are true. We just don't believe that people have understood what they really mean. The Bible itself mentions this, in fact. In the Book of Daniel, following a series of end-times visions, Daniel asks the angel the meaning of the visions. (He doesn't know.) The angel tells him to forget about it because the books are "sealed up until the time of the end". Thus, nobody will understand their meaning until the "end times" are already come. In Revelation, a parallel image is given, when a sealed book is brought out, and it is asked who is worthy to unseal it. Only the lamb, an image of Christ, is found worthy to unseal the book. Thus, it is Christ Himself who must explain the meanings of the prophecies. People cannot do it. Only after He has returned will the meanings become clear. In His primary theological work, the Kitab-i-Iqan, Baha'u'llah does just that, explaining many of the images used in prophecy. And that's the only reason Baha'is think they have any clue whatever about Biblical prophecy: because the Books have been "unsealed" by the only One worthy to do it. By contrast, this "new world order" idea is merely based on what some fallible humans think when they read passages without benefit of having seen them "unsealed".
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Amy wrote: Of course, we do hold that the prophecies are true. We just don't believe that people have understood what they really mean. The Bible itself mentions this, in fact. In the Book of Daniel, following a series of end-times visions, Daniel asks the angel the meaning of the visions. (He doesn't know.) The angel tells him to forget about it because the books are "sealed up until the time of the end". Thus, nobody will understand their meaning until the "end times" are already come. In Revelation, a parallel image is given, when a sealed book is brought out, and it is asked who is worthy to unseal it. Only the lamb, an image of Christ, is found worthy to unseal the book. Thus, it is Christ Himself who must explain the meanings of the prophecies. People cannot do it. Only after He has returned will the meanings become clear.  Yeah!!! Right!!! Keep fooling yourself.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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muddawber wrote: Amy wrote: Dear friend, Laugh now! In this Day the Concourse on high beholdeth you in your evil doings and shunneth your company, and yet ye perceive it not. They ask of one another: "What words do these fools utter, and in what valley are they wont to graze? Do they deny that whereunto their very souls testify, and shut their eyes to that which they plainly behold?" I swear by God, O people! They that inhabit the Cities of the Names of God are bewildered at your actions, while ye roam, aimless and unconscious, in a parched and barren land. (Baha'u'llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 7) Free  man
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Baha'u'llah brings smooth words and flattering speech to deceive the hearts of the simple.
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Baha'u'llah brings smooth words and flattering speech to deceive the hearts of the simple. Dear friend, Were the peoples of every nation to observe that which hath been mentioned, the matter would be made simple unto them, and such words and allusions would not withhold them from the Ocean of the names and attributes of God. And had the people known this truth, they would not have denied God's favours, nor would they have risen against, contended with, and rejected His Prophets. Similar passages are also to be found in the Qur'án, should the matter be carefully examined. Know, moreover, that it is through such words that God proveth His servants and sifteth them, separating the believer from the infidel, the detached from the worldly, the pious from the profligate, the doer of good from the worker of iniquity, and so forth. Thus hath the Dove of holiness proclaimed: "Do men think when they say 'We believe' they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?" (Baha'u'llah, Gems of Divine Mysteries, p. 24) Though 'Abdu'l-Bahá's coming had not been advertised the Church was filled to its utmost capacity. Few that were there will ever forget the sight of that venerable figure clad in his Eastern garb, ascending the pulpit stairs to address a public gathering for the first time in his life. That this should be at a Christian place of worship in the West has its own deep significance. Mr. Campbell introduced the visitor with a few simple words in the course of which he said: "We, as the followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is to us and will always be the Light of the World, view with sympathy and respect every movement of the Spirit of God in the experience of mankind, and therefore we give greeting to 'Abdu'l-Bahá in the name of all who share the spirit of our Master, and are trying to live their lives in that Spirit. The Bahá'í Movement is very closely akin to, I think I might say is identical with, the spiritual purpose of Christianity." (Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 17) Free  man
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Baha'u'llah brings smooth words and flattering speech to deceive the hearts of the simple. And if you had been an observant Jew comfortable in your life, then Jesus would have been suspect. Time and place has changed but that cry against the revealed Daystar has never changed. Abraham was exiled, Moses spent many years in the Sinai, Jesus was killed, the Bab was killed, Baha`u'llah and Muhammed were refugees, all because of such words. Regards, Scott
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Don't you think there is a reason the bible warns of those who bring "smooth words and flattering speech to deceive the hearts of the simple"?
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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What I am getting out of this thread is that we need to disable the U.N. and the Pope, ASAP.
The best human beings start good new topics and vote on the better posts. |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Don't you think there is a reason the bible warns of those who bring "smooth words and flattering speech to deceive the hearts of the simple"? Yes. But the Bible requires us to judge the results of the words, not the eloquence of the words--the fruit of the bush, not the bush itself. Smooth and eloquent are good descriptions of The Sermon on the Mount, too. Regards, Scott
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cynicalninja Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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24HourNut wrote: What I am getting out of this thread is that we need to disable the U.N. and the Pope, ASAP. And the freemasons, and the gnomes of Zurich and the "knights of the five sided castle". 
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Pray tell, how does one get rid of the Pope?????
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Popeyesays wrote: Pray tell, how does one get rid of the Pope????? Do your part by rejecting religions based upon the text of strangers. If we all did that, the Pope would be by himself and no longer kept as Pope. We'd make him useful and put him in charge of Bingo halls across America or something.
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:Pray tell, how does one get rid of the Pope????? That's about a .000000000000000000000000000001% long shot bet. Sign me up. Regards, Scott
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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It's definitely a long shot, no doubt. I don't think it will happen, and didn't say it would. I said that is what I got out of the thread. It is an ideal. We need to get people off the archaic religion, text and test game BS if the world is going to have peace. NWO, organized religions, the U.N., none of it is going to bring peace until other principles - like the principles of freedom - are above those issued or embraced by any organized religion. When people start making religion private instead of making organizations and spreading the word and all that, that is when you will start to see more world peace. All the scariest stuff going on in the world is traced back to organized religion in some form.
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