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The next time believers tell you that 'separation of church and state' does not appear in your founding document, tell them to stop using the word 'trinity.' The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed by this, then add Abortion, Afterlife, Atheism, Apostasy, Bible, Cardinal, Christmas, Christianity, Catholic, Catechism, Capitalism, Chastity, Conservative, Capital Punishment, (Liberal is in), Deity, Divinity, Dogma, Dead Sea, Doubting Thomas, Democracy, Education, Excommunication, Ethics, Epiphany, Eucharist, Evangelical, Fairness, Fundamentalist, Funeral, Golden Rule, Good Friday, Homosexual, Infallibility, Incarnation, Immaculate Conception, Lesbian, Logic, Lord's Prayer, Monogamy, Moral, Morality, Methodist, Monotheism, Missionary, Omniscience, Penance, Purgatory, Pornography, Patriotism, Pope, Republic, Sunday School, Sermon, Supernatural Transcendence, Theology, Transubstantiation or Unpardonable Sin.

Known of these appear anywhere in the bible either. 


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I suggest you keep with watching movies. You are entering territory you are unfamiliar with.




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I suggest you keep with watching movies. You are entering territory you are unfamiliar with.

Another predictable cop out JBF.

Consult your precious bible and prove me wrong.

On second thoughts don't bother, because we both know I am 100% correct.

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Almost every one of these topics you posted is discussed in the bible. ANYONE who reads there bible can see this. Because these topics are discussed doesn't mean the actual word in it's English use must be there. The word Apostasy in the Greek language is "falling away". If you read your bible in the book of Thessalonians the Apostle Paul speaks of the coming Apostasy / "Falling away".
To say that because these words are not in the bible has absolutely nothing to consider. I can go on and on with your foolish post but will not wast my time.




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Thanks for confirming the accuracy of my initial post.

:bravo:

Not only are none of the words above in the bible, but some of the concepts and ideas they describe are missing as well.

   

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Ninja,

If your argument is that because none of these words appear in the Bible, neither do any of those concepts, then you are wrong.  While none of those exact words appear, many of the concepts do.  Also some of those words appear in forms other than the exact form you list.

For example, the word "rapture" is a Latin word that means "caught up."  Of course a Latin word is not going to appear in a document that was written in Greek, nor should it be expected to appear in an English translation of Greek document.  The Greek word used in the original was "harpazo" which translates into English as "caught up."  When the Bible was translated into Latin, the Latin word for "harpazo" was used, that Latin word is "rapture."

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Aethelred wrote: Ninja,

If your argument is that because none of these words appear in the Bible, neither do any of those concepts, then you are wrong.  While none of those exact words appear, many of the concepts do.  Also some of those words appear in forms other than the exact form you list.

For example, the word "rapture" is a Latin word that means "caught up."  Of course a Latin word is not going to appear in a document that was written in Greek, nor should it be expected to appear in an English translation of Greek document.  The Greek word used in the original was "harpazo" which translates into English as "caught up."  When the Bible was translated into Latin, the Latin word for "harpazo" was used, that Latin word is "rapture."


No.

For example = abortion.

Abortion is not mentioned in the Bible at all. However, if you challenge your antagonist to show you why they are opposed to it, you'll usually get one of three different arguments.
The most common comes from Psalm 139:13-16, where King David writes that God formed him in the womb. If you are given this argument, ask the Fundamentalists if they believe God has ordained them to be the next King of Israel. The obvious answer is "no." Once they say this, ask them why, therefore, do they claim that a verse God used to describe the creation of a pre-ordained King of Israel should be applied to them as well. Do they also claim to be the next messiah because of God's description of Christ's inception in Mary's womb? Of course not. But Fundamentalists like to take this verse out of context and claim it applies to every human ever conceived.

It does not. You can also refer them to Jeremiah 1:4-10, where another pre-ordained prophet of God described his life in the womb as well. However, in Jeremiah's case, he says that God knew him before he was ever conceived in the womb. Since most Fundamentalists use the argument that God "knew" his pre-ordained leaders in the womb, and, therefore, it must mean that God considers us fully human at conception, what does it mean when God says he knew us before we were even conceived? Does it mean we are fully human even before the egg and the sperm come together? Of course not.

The second most common argument comes from the Ten Commandments, where we are told "Thou Shalt Not Kill." But this begs the question of "kill what?" Does this commandment mean we cannot kill anything, even a fly? No. It means we should not kill another human being. Of course, the Fundamentalist believes a pre-born fetus is the same as a full-term human being. God, however, does not. In Exodus 21:22-25 we read that if a man accidentally kills a pregnant woman, that man should be condemned for committing murder. However, if he only kills the fetus - that is, if she miscarries - he is not condemned for murder. Clearly, then, God does not consider the pre-born fetus as being the same as a human being, in which case the Commandment of "Thou Shalt Not Kill (a human)" does not apply.

And the third comes from several Old Testament books where God condemned the Jews for offering their children as sacrifices to a false god called Baal. This is used less often than the other arguments because it makes no mention of pre-borns. The children being sacrificed where full-term, already-born human babies. And, as we have seen above in Exodus 21:22-25, God does not see a developing fetus as being equal to a full-term human being.

Any other bible myths you want me to rip to shreds in front of you ?

 

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I said that many (but not all) of those concepts appear in the Bible.  You have not ripped anything to shreds, but if you would like to try please don't let me stand in your way.:)

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Aethelred wrote: I said that many (but not all) of those concepts appear in the Bible.  You have not ripped anything to shreds, but if you would like to try please don't let me stand in your way.:)

Are you against abortion ?, if you are for religious reasons you can clearly see by my post above that that is an completely incorrect stance to take, yes ?

What would you like me to prove the bible doesn't mention next ?, pornography ?, homosexuals ?, you pitch em I'll hit em for a home run everytime Aethelred.

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cynicalninja wrote: Aethelred wrote: I said that many (but not all) of those concepts appear in the Bible.  You have not ripped anything to shreds, but if you would like to try please don't let me stand in your way.:)

Are you against abortion ?, if you are for religious reasons you can clearly see by my post above that that is an completely incorrect stance to take, yes ?

What would you like me to prove the bible doesn't mention next ?, pornography ?, homosexuals ?, you pitch em I'll hit em for a home run everytime Aethelred.


I am against taking any human life, but whatever means except as a means of self defense.  I guess I take a broad view of "thou shalt not kill."

The Bible does teach against homosexuality and against pornography, it doesn't use those words, but the concept is clearly there:

Homosexuality:

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Pornography:

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The word "pornography" comes from the Greek porneia. Porneia is translated "fornication" in the King James Version (Matthew 5:32; John 8:41; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 6:9,13,18; Galatians 5:19; Revelation 19:2).

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Maybe ninja is filling in for Frank for a couple of days...maybe there are no good movies at the theaters lately? Ninja doesn't understand that these things he picked up from another rabid uninformed atheist website ARE mentioned in the bible and his lack of seeing the use of Greek, Latin and Hebrew in biblical writings are cause for great alarm...




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Maybe ninja is filling in for Frank for a couple of days...
What position of mine are you saying he fills in for?




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The "Bored And In The Mood To Poke At Archaic Texts" Threads...




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: The "Bored And In The Mood To Poke At Archaic Texts" Threads...
You must be assuming a lot of things because I am never bored, just not that kind of person ... I also don't consider a different view on the Bible, acknowledging its mythology or exposing the absurdity of its agents as merely poking. 

It's like me referring to your posts as you being bored, and you being in the mood to poke fun at modern people with common sense.




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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: The "Bored And In The Mood To Poke At Archaic Texts" Threads...
You must be assuming a lot of things because I am never bored, just not that kind of person ... I also don't consider a different view on the Bible, acknowledging its mythology or exposing the absurdity of its agents as merely poking. 

It's like me referring to your posts as you being bored, and you being in the mood to poke fun at modern people with common sense.

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