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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Do you have a " Different Jesus'? |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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Is the Jesus you have the same One the Bible reveals? 1. In 2 Co 11:1-4, Paul expresses his grave concern for the brethren in Corinth... a. With a godly jealousy, he is fearful their minds may have been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ - 2 Co 11:1-3 b. With a touch of irony, perhaps even sarcasm, he refers to their seeming willingness to put up with someone who might teach "another Jesus", "a different spirit", even "a different gospel" - 2 Co 11:4 1) He most likely has reference to "Judaizing teachers" 2) These were Jewish believers in Christ who taught Gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses (cf. Ac 15:1-29; Ga 2:1-5) 2. The problem Paul faced is not unique to his day and age; even today... a. There are people who teach a "Jesus" different than the One revealed in the Bible b. Many claim to be led by the "Spirit", who in fact may heeding a different "spirit" c. What is often proclaimed as the "gospel", has been altered in its message so as to be different than the gospel proclaimed by the apostles of Christ 3. The danger of leaving "the simplicity that is in Christ" is very real, and so I wish to... a. Identify how some actually preach "A Different Jesus, Spirit, And Gospel" b. Briefly review what the Bible teaches about Jesus, the Spirit, and the gospel of Christ [Let's begin with the idea of...] I. A DIFFERENT JESUS A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY... 1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different Jesus a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g., Judaism) b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam) 2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a different Jesus a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses) b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons) c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was, by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles attributed to Him in the Bible B. THE TRUE JESUS IS THE ONE REVEALED BY HIS APOSTLES... 1. As eyewitnesses who spent time with Him, only they are qualified to testify as to who Jesus was - cf. Ac 10:39-41; 2 Pe 1:16; 1 Jn 1:1-2 2. Their testimony, as recorded in the New Testament, reveal Jesus to be: a. The Christ, the Son of the Living God - Mt 16:16 b. The One who was with God, and was God - Jn 1:1-2 c. The One in Whom all the fullness of God dwells bodily - Co 2:9-10 d. The One Who died for our sins and rose from the dead, as foretold in the Old Testament scriptures - 1 Co 15:1-4 e. The One Who teaches that many will be lost, and requires an obedient faith - Mt 7:13-14,21-23; 28:20 [In truth, the only reliable historical record that we have of Jesus is the New Testament, written by those who either knew Jesus intimately, or were personal acquaintances of His apostles. If we desire to know the "true" Jesus, it is to them we must turn! Hope this helps you according to the scriptures.
 Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is the Jesus you have the same One the Bible reveals?Do you think sometimes people look for a different Jesus? Or do you think they know Jesus...... but choose to focus on a more pleasent reality? Simple creations! A beautiful rose. Mountians tipped with snow. Gods creations in the now!
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Robodoon Original500© Member  God Fearing Patriot
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foxglovepress wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Is the Jesus you have the same One the Bible reveals?Do you think sometimes people look for a different Jesus? Or do you think they know Jesus...... but choose to focus on a more pleasent reality? Simple creations! A beautiful rose. Mountians tipped with snow. Gods creations in the now! The New Age Movement does look to a different Jesus, they call him "The Christ" but they aren't talking about Jesus Christ. They use terms like the cosmic christ, They are really talking about the Anti christ, not Jesus Christ. But what do you expect from basically Luciferians. Here is an Anti christ site, new age based http://www.shareintl.org/index.htm which works with the UN and the internationalists and Lucifer Publishing which is now called http://www.lucistrust.org who manages the prayer room at the UN. Last edited on 10:18 pm by Robodoon "...we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the US, ...conspiring with others around the world to build ...-- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." David Rockefeller |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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I clicked on that link, Robo. It looked like a bunch of people all wanting to worship a Messiah, but they didn't actually say anything about The AntiChrist...just a "Teacher." As for me, once you know Jesus in your heart, you know him well and what he wants. So, yes, my Jesus is "The Christ." I talk to him all the time in the form of prayer and I know that he is there because the prayers get answered. Not just occasionally, but all the time! 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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foxglovepress wrote: "Do you think sometimes people look for a different Jesus? Or do you think they know Jesus...... but choose to focus on a more pleasent reality? Simple creations! A beautiful rose. Mountians tipped with snow. Gods creations in the now!" I would say the first. Because if a person knows the real Jesus who loves them so much and lives in them when they trust and believe in Him they would never settle for a counterfeit...never.  Last edited on 11:28 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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Or do you think they know Jesus...... but choose to focus on a more pleasent reality? Simple creations! A beautiful rose. Mountians tipped with snow. Gods creations in the now!" I am amazed when I look at nature, I love a beautiful rose or snow capped mountain. I will often go outside on a clear night and look at the stars. I marvel at the wonder of God's vast creation. However, I do not confuse the creation with the Creator. I do not worship the stars or a snow capped mountain. Jesus Christ is the Creator of the Universe, He is God and my worship is reserved for Him alone. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Aethelred Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the the darkness comprehended it not. Amen to that Aethelred.  Last edited on 12:02 am by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is the Jesus you have the same One the Bible reveals? AFAIK, Jews wouldn't call Jesus a good man. I can't say for sure, as I'm not Jewish, but it would seem to me exceedingly odd if a Jew would call a blasphemer and heretic a "good man". As for me, I don't really have an opinion as to who he was. The thing that troubles me about it is that the Gospels themselves don't seem to paint a clear picture. We see Jesus asking God, if it is his will, to take this cup of suffering from him. Huh?! And we see Jesus asking, "Why have you foresaken me?" To me, those don't sound like the words of someone who is God. They sound like someone talking to God. For one thing, if Jesus was God, he should have known all of this, and not have asked about whether it was God's will to have the cup taken from him. And on the other point, how exactly does one foresake oneself? As far as I can tell, he was a man who talked to God and performed miracles (if the Bible is accurate on that score). More than that, I cannot say. Keep in mind that these are the questions I have after only 5 years of Catholic education. But they're certainly headscratchers to me.
"It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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Aethelred wrote: Yes, you are right. I too know when God is answering my prayers....He's pretty powerful with some of mine! I also know that tragic things happen too. God either controls that or he chooses not to step in. THATS the part of our Lord that makes me more confortable finding peace in his creations.Or do you think they know Jesus...... but choose to focus on a more pleasent reality? Simple creations! A beautiful rose. Mountians tipped with snow. Gods creations in the now!"
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5 years of Catholic education? What do you want to know bhartman I was brought up strict roman catholic.I changed of course because I began to know too much. Not a lot of bible stuff when you're a catholic. Doctrines and decrees are more the go I'm afraid.
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"God either controls that or he chooses not to step in. THATS the part of our Lord that makes me more confortable finding peace in his creations." what a revolting thing to say about god.
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justified! you're a trinitarian and speak like a trinitarian. May I guide you to the very last passages of the bible...because you obviously must be warned. Jesus is referred to as 'a god' commonly in his day important persons of faith or power were often referred to this way, he was never refferred to ever as 'the god' he did not pray to himself, he was not referring to himself when speaking of the father, and he was not returning unto himself when he died .... he was 'with' god not 'the god'.Go back to Genises when god is speaking of and about the situation with adam and eve ...who is god speaking with? who is he dicussing the situation with?
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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"We see Jesus asking God, if it is his will, to take this cup of suffering from him. Huh?! And we see Jesus asking, "Why have you foresaken me?" To me, those don't sound like the words of someone who is God. They sound like someone talking to God. For one thing, if Jesus was God, he should have known all of this, and not have asked about whether it was God's will to have the cup taken from him. And on the other point, how exactly does one foresake oneself?" This is the entire reason the Trinity had to be invented... And I do mean 'invented' --- many of the interpretations of verses known today to 'support' the Trinity were NOT used as such prior to the arguments about Christ being God incarnate, or God's Divine Messenger (and being the only Way to God) I've often thought that the concept of "I am the Way..." is also in conflict here, without the special interpretation of the Trinity to try to make it work... Once again--- God cannot be the "Way" to God --- Jesus can be the "Way" to God--- but if you require a "way" to get from one place to another, then by definition, there are TWO places (human reality and God's reality), and there HAS to therefore be a 'path' between them.... That path is Jesus... There is no logical reason for the path and the destination to be one and the same place--- It requires a special interpretation that was NOT commonly practiced throughout the history of Christianity in order to explain this--- the concept of the Trinity. Granted--- about 80% of Christian history HAS had the Trinity, since the argument came up early--- and in the West, the RCC won the fight, and now few people, if any, in the West argue about the existence of the Trinity... I'd be interested to hear if Imp's knowledge of the Eastern views of Christ mirror exactly those of the Papacy (and therefore all other Western based sects of Christianity suffer any of the errors in interpretation made by the Roman Catholic Church)
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Magenta flame wrote:justified! you're a trinitarian and speak like a trinitarian. May I guide you to the very last passages of the bible...because you obviously must be warned. Are you Mormon by chance? Isaiah spoke of Jesus as...The Everlasting Father. Jesus was "God Manifest" and found to be "without Sin".Jesus was fully man yet fully God. Not a god with a "little g" but "God" Alpha & Omega like Jesus said, "He who sees me sees the Father." In Revelation Cahpter 1 Jesus says of Himself, "I am the Alpha & Omega, the beginning and the End, says the Lord who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8 The Almighty God is also the one who says that He is the first and the last. "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forever more." Rev 1:18 It requires discernment, context and spiritual understanding to see the Trinitarian Godhead dear friends. ;)Last edited on 05:24 am by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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