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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Do you have a " Different Jesus'? |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Heretic
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And-- "If they don't answer yes to all of them, their faith is not of God." I find this statement to be RUDE, and DISRESPECFUL of the billions of people whom God has created before and after Christs' coming, not to mention the billions of us who are not Christians only. Those whom you obviously believe that God condemned to eternal fire and death before they were even born - those who He chose to create as predestined to never see salvation- --- since they never knew Christ and accepted Him. I'm not saying you cannot have that viewpoint you've expressed above - you have your freedom to think whatever you want. But I'm saying that it's the act of a mature human being AND a loving Christian to KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, and not push it into the face of those who would find it judgemental and smallminded. You are not 'preaching the Gospel' with words like that-- do not fool yourself into thinking that your words are somehow 'OK to express', merely because they happen to be your belief. You are merely making enemies and losing friends. I'm pretty sure that I speak for the Jews and those of no particular Faith on this forum, but who do believe in God, as well as myself. The agnostics will simply find you and your attitude to be that very example of a Christian that caused them to leave Christianity or never to come to it in the first place. Last edited on 01-11-2007 03:49 am by sirlamre |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Heretic
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Btw-- After that more or less completely insulting post by Aethelred (however sincerely he believes that, as is his right) I've now changed my password, and can no longer enter this forum. See y'all later--- You can deal with the zealots who cannot help but insult others with their beliefs by yourselves.. I'm done.
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DesertRat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member 
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Which Jesus do you follow? Which Jesus do you serve? If Ephesians says to imitate Christ Then why do you look so much like the world? Cause my Jesus bled and died He spent His time with thieves and liars He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant So which one do you want to be? Blessed are the poor in spirit Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars He loved the poor and accosted the rich So which one do you want to be? Who is this that you follow This picture of the American dream If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side or fall down and worship at His holy feet Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins But the Word says He was battered and scarred Or did you miss that part Sometimes I doubt we'd recognize Him Cause my Jesus bled and died He spent His time with thieves and the least of these He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable So which one do you want to be? Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church The blood and dirt on His feet might stain the carpet But He reaches for the hurting and despised the proud I think He'd prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud I want to be like my Jesus! I want to be like my Jesus! Not a posterchild for American prosperity, but like my Jesus You see I'm tired of living for success and popularity I want to be like my Jesus but I'm not sure what that means to be like You Jesus Cause You said to live like You, love like You but then You died for me Can I be like You Jesus? I want to be like my Jesus - Todd Agnew
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member  Ye Olde Dead King
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sirlamre wrote:
Tim, I hope I can say this without you taking it personal or being offended. However, I have to be honest, to be any less than honest would do you and others who read this a disservice. One does not need to read every word of the Bible to judge the claims made by Christ. I became a Christian after reading only very little of the Bible. I have read some of the Baha'i writings and some of the Koran, but you are correct I have not read all of either. However, I have read enough of both to know that they are in direct conflict with the Word of God as contained in the Bible. If the claims of Christ are true, Muhammed and Baha'u'llah are not necessary. If the claims of Baha'u'llah are true Christ was dishonest about who and what He was. The only way to reconcile the claims of Baha'u'llah with the Bible is to twist the clear statements of the Bible so badly that they lose all meaning. While this post may make you mad at me, I consider you a true and very close friend and I care very deeply about you and your family. I pray for all of you almost every day and very much want what is best for you. For this reason it pains me very deeply that you do not accept Christ for who He is or see Baha'u'llah for what he was. and until you've prayed in UTTER sincerity for TOTAL freedom from any prior conceptions you have had ---- You seem to suggest that because I do not accept Baha'u'llah, I have not asked God in utter sincerity to reveal the truth to me, but I can assure you that is not the case. I have given serious and honest consideration to the claims of your faith, I have prayed about it and I have found it (through the grace of God) to be wanting. I believe with all my heart that Muhammed and Baha'u'llah are two of the false prophets Jesus warned about when he said: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24: 23-27 --- you are judging my Faith in the EXACT terms with which you will NOT judge your own. I have judged your faith and mine by the same standard and the same standard applies to both. Christanity rests on the claims made by Christ and the Baha'i Faith rests on the claims made by Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah claimed that in him was the same spirit that was in Christ (and Muhammed, Moses, Abraham et cetera). He claimed that all world religions shared the same core values, yet a look at the various religions of the world shows that this is not the case. Muhammed, Moses and Abraham never claimed to be what Baha'u'llah said they were and Christ claimed to be much more than Baha'u'llah said He was. This is reason enough for me to reject Baha'u'llah as a false prophet. In the OT there are hundreds of prophesies, written hundreds of years before Christ that tell in detail about Him. One of them (Psalms 22) was enough for me to see that Christ was really who He claimed to be. I accepted Christ based on a few verses or chapters at most. In fact I had read less of the Bible when I accepted Christ than I did of the Baha'i writings when I rejected Baha'u'llah. I trust in Christ based on His claims and I will consider all other claims based on the light of Christ's teachings. I hope that helps you to better understand why I believe as I do and that it has done so without offending you, which is not and has never been my intent.
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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sirlamre wrote:Btw-- How does one go about changing his own password so that he himself can no longer gain access to a forum?  I don't see what sirlamre is all upset about. If I were upset every time I encountered a Christian who thought he had all the important knowledge about God, I suppose I'd just stay upset all the time. And these Christians here haven't done their homework in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers. So it's no wonder they're having so much difficulty reconciling the Bible with orthodox Christianity. The Bible's Christology is incipient, undeveloped Christology. It's barely the beginnings and not even always an internally consistant Christology. Athanasius's book On the Incarnation might be a better starting point. To make the Bible conform to orthodox Christology in all its particulars, you really do have to start with a pretty good working knowledge of orthodox Christology. Otherwise it'll take you about three or four hundred years.
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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construct wrote: sirlamre wrote: Construct, Good post as always. For me the goal has been to throw out everything that has been built up around Christianity over the years and get back to what the Bible itself says and try to follow that. While that may be a simple view, I am but a simple person.  I also fail to see why Sirlamre feels my comments were "insulting." I did not attack him or anyone on a personal level, nor would I. He seems to think that Christians should not express their opinions and that when they do it is rude, judgmental and small minded, yet in another thread he wrote this to someone: sirlamre wrote: "The reality of man is his thought" We'll be watching you as you wish yourself out of existence, there... Be sad to see you go, but it WILL be the reality that you choose to create... Of course, you might not really be gone--- you just might be in a sensory deprivation box of your own making---- having convinced yourself that you no longer exist, you won't be able to feel or sense yourself... We will --- and we'll sadly look at you as you "float there" or "lie there" or whatever... we being aware that you DO still exist... ...and you not being aware of it at all---- since you've chosen not to be... Hopefully you'll be able to change your mind, though...
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Heretic
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Aethelred wrote: While this post may make you mad at me, I consider you a true and very close friend and I care very deeply about you and your family. I hope that helps you to better understand why I believe as I do and that it has done so without offending you, which is not and has never been my intent. I wasn't asking you to justify WHAT you believed. I was suggesting (strongly) that if you ARE a close friend, you know when NOT to cross the line. We often talk of religious topics, but never ONCE have I flat out told you that I thought you were nuts, wrong, and going to hell. That's disrespectful of you and what you choose to believe in. I may tell you that I do not believe as you do --- but I never once judge your right or your desire to believe in what you do believe in. I expect the same degree of respect from you, if you do indeed consider me a 'true and close friend'. If you are truly my friend, you will know that there are SOME things that just need to go unsaid -- because there is nothing but bad feelings down the road of saying them. Nothing else but bad feelings will be gained, no matter what. And what you have said crosses that line, not only for me, but for many other people on this forum, which is why I'm posting this and not PM'ing you. It doesn't get ANY simpler or clearer than that, OK? Oh -- and all those British coins you own? Forgeries... all of them. Worthless.
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newbiecollector Pioneer100© Member  Here for the ride.
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Wanted to join in but, much to intellegent and deep for me. I just belive.........guess that's too simple
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Seeing through the lies...
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Aethelred wrote:
I find these questions you posted to be biblical in purpose. Therefore, reasonable to ask and make a general opinion.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Heretic
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I quite agree! They are the SORT of questions one should ask... See my other thread, to begin a discussion of the OTHER sentence in Aethelred's post. JustifiedByFaith wrote: Aethelred wrote:
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Aethelred Pioneer100© Member Ye Olde Dead King
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sirlamre wrote: Aethelred wrote:While this post may make you mad at me, I consider you a true and very close friend and I care very deeply about you and your family.I hope that helps you to better understand why I believe as I do and that it has done so without offending you, which is not and has never been my intent. O.K., let me have one more go at this, sigh! I DID NOT tell you that I thought you were going to hell. I HAVE NEVER told anyone that I thought they were going to hell, NOT ONCE, NOT EVER!!! The last time I checked God had not asked for MY OPINION on how He should judge people. I do not go out of my way to express my opinion when I think people are wrong, but when the subject comes up I do express my opinion. You decided TO CALL ME NAMES (small minded, judgmental et cetera) I never treated you with that level of disrespect, nor would I ever. You did so because I believe that some religions are not of God and others are. I do not claim to have all the answers (or even most of them) and I am not trying to tell others how they should believe. I am not shoving anything into anyone's face, when I state my opinion, I am not trying to change how anyone believes. I know for a fact that I spend much less time trying to convert people than you do. We often talk of religious topics, but never ONCE have I flat out told you that I thought you were nuts, wrong, and going to hell. That's disrespectful of you and what you choose to believe in. I may tell you that I do not believe as you do --- but I never once judge your right or your desire to believe in what you do believe in. I am not sure what you think you read or how you took what I wrote to come away with this idea? I stated where and why I do not agree with you and I did so in what I took as a polite manner. I did not say or infer that I think you are nuts or going to hell and I think you should know me well enough by now to know that!
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sumnom Original500© Member 
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Here we are, JBF!
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Heretic
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so what did this thread get resurrected (sic) for ? Other than a long-settled disagreement between Aethelred and I... which is meaningless to us both now.. ???? sumnom wrote: Here we are, JBF!
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sumnom Original500© Member
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I wanted to show JBF that we already did the "different jesus" thing.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Seeing through the lies...
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sumnom wrote:Here we are, JBF! Thanks sumnom. It is so important. I want 2 threads!   No really I do. 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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