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sirlamre wrote:
Actually, Christianity is the only religion that holds to such a fanatical "WE are the only answer" concept.................................THAT is your opinion, NOT the core belief of that religion.
ok --- I'll concede that---
But I've been told that line of "Christ is the ONLY possible way" thing so many times... it just seems like it's a very core belief for the great majority of them; that no person other than "Jesus Christ the carpenter from Galilee" and exacting precise belief in no one but Him will ever suffice to get a person into heaven and to please God.
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Is there a different way or different Jesus sirlamre other than the One in the bible who say's He is the only way to the Father?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Posted: 04-23-2007 09:21 am |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is the Jesus you have the same One the Bible reveals?
1. In 2 Co 11:1-4, Paul expresses his grave concern for the brethren in
Corinth...
a. With a godly jealousy, he is fearful their minds may have been
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ - 2 Co 11:1-3
b. With a touch of irony, perhaps even sarcasm, he refers to their
seeming willingness to put up with someone who might teach
"another Jesus", "a different spirit", even "a different gospel"
- 2 Co 11:4
1) He most likely has reference to "Judaizing teachers"
2) These were Jewish believers in Christ who taught Gentiles had
to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses (cf. Ac 15:1-29;
Ga 2:1-5)
2. The problem Paul faced is not unique to his day and age; even
today...
a. There are people who teach a "Jesus" different than the One
revealed in the Bible
b. Many claim to be led by the "Spirit", who in fact may heeding a
different "spirit"
c. What is often proclaimed as the "gospel", has been altered in its
message so as to be different than the gospel proclaimed by the
apostles of Christ
3. The danger of leaving "the simplicity that is in Christ" is very
real, and so I wish to...
a. Identify how some actually preach "A Different Jesus, Spirit, And
Gospel"
b. Briefly review what the Bible teaches about Jesus, the Spirit,
and the gospel of Christ
[Let's begin with the idea of...]
I. A DIFFERENT JESUS
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible
B. THE TRUE JESUS IS THE ONE REVEALED BY HIS APOSTLES...
1. As eyewitnesses who spent time with Him, only they are
qualified to testify as to who Jesus was - cf. Ac 10:39-41;
2 Pe 1:16; 1 Jn 1:1-2
2. Their testimony, as recorded in the New Testament, reveal
Jesus to be:
a. The Christ, the Son of the Living God - Mt 16:16
b. The One who was with God, and was God - Jn 1:1-2
c. The One in Whom all the fullness of God dwells bodily -
Co 2:9-10
d. The One Who died for our sins and rose from the dead, as
foretold in the Old Testament scriptures - 1 Co 15:1-4
e. The One Who teaches that many will be lost, and requires an
obedient faith - Mt 7:13-14,21-23; 28:20
[In truth, the only reliable historical record that we have of Jesus is
the New Testament, written by those who either knew Jesus intimately,
or were personal acquaintances of His apostles. If we desire to know
the "true" Jesus, it is to them we must turn!
Hope this helps you according to the scriptures.
The Jesus I HAVE ?
What like loose change in my pocket ?
Are there lots of jesus's ?
Do you collect them and battle them like pokemon cards ?
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Posted: 04-23-2007 02:13 pm |
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cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Posted: 04-23-2007 08:14 pm |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is there a different way or different Jesus sirlamre other than the One in the bible who say's He is the only way to the Father?
Of course not.
But will or has that Divine Spirit of God be called "Jesus of Nazareth" at all times in all places?
No -- Revelation tells us of a "new name".
But the Divine Spirit WILL be that same Divine Spirit that is and always WILL BE that same "only way to the Father"
No arguements there.
Can we move on from alphabetical names please?
I've agreed with you on this point so many times it's getting irritating.
But you STILL are hung up on the material earthly name "Jesus" and the body of a human who lived in the Galilee a long time ago, and you are not first and foremost attached to the Divine Spirit that is obviously God's Essence on earth, whatever that Divine Spirit of the Bible happens to be called...
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Posted: 04-23-2007 10:22 pm |
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sirlamre wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is there a different way or different Jesus sirlamre other than the One in the bible who say's He is the only way to the Father?
Of course not.
But will or has that Divine Spirit of God be called "Jesus of Nazareth" at all times in all places?
No -- Revelation tells us of a "new name".
Yep, it sure does sirlamre. And the new name points right back to Jesus the Word not Baha'u'llah (glory of God) doesn't it?
Revelation 19:11-16
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Yes, in the Beginning was the Word. Sound familiar sirlamre John 1:1? 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Posted: 04-23-2007 11:50 pm |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
So which of these Jesus's is best to use in a trading card battle ?
Is 2a a rare card ?
Or is 1b a limited edition mail order only hologram card ?
There are lot's of Pikachu's. But only one Pikachu JBF.
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Posted: 04-24-2007 12:42 am |
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cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
So which of these Jesus's is best to use in a trading card battle ?
Is 2a a rare card ?
Or is 1b a limited edition mail order only hologram card ?
There are lot's of Pikachu's. But only one Pikachu JBF.
Your funny at times at ninja, but on a serious note, Jesus will be coming soon... sounds like you already made your stand regarding Him. Sad to see... Last edited on 04-24-2007 12:43 am by JustifiedByFaith
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Posted: 04-24-2007 01:03 am |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
So which of these Jesus's is best to use in a trading card battle ?
Is 2a a rare card ?
Or is 1b a limited edition mail order only hologram card ?
There are lot's of Pikachu's. But only one Pikachu JBF.
Jesus will be coming soon...
Is he going to bring trading card "swaps" with him ?
Will you tell him I've got three A1's that I will trade for one1 decent 2B as long as its got gods hologram signature and a "genuine costume piece" of the Turin Shroud ?
I also have massive job lots of muslim, hindu, Buddhist cards that he might be interested in. I know he probably doesn't collect these but I think he may be interested in just how many people on the planet do collect from these series almost exclusively ! with no interest in the Christian series !
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Posted: 04-24-2007 02:20 am |
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cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
So which of these Jesus's is best to use in a trading card battle ?
Is 2a a rare card ?
Or is 1b a limited edition mail order only hologram card ?
There are lot's of Pikachu's. But only one Pikachu JBF.
Jesus will be coming soon...
Is he going to bring trading card "swaps" with him ?
Will you tell him I've got three A1's that I will trade for one1 decent 2B as long as its got gods hologram signature and a "genuine costume piece" of the Turin Shroud ?
I also have massive job lots of muslim, hindu, Buddhist cards that he might be interested in. I know he probably doesn't collect these but I think he may be interested in just how many people on the planet do collect from these series almost exclusively ! with no interest in the Christian series !
Actually, He is coming for His own. Are you coming with us ninja?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Posted: 04-24-2007 10:47 am |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: cynicalninja wrote:
Are there lots of jesus's ?
A. A DIFFERENT JESUS AS PREACHED BY SOME TODAY...
1. Some "non-Christian" religions, of course, teach a different
Jesus
a. That Jesus was at best simply a good man or teacher (e.g.,
Judaism)
b. That Jesus was at best a prophet of God (e.g., Islam)
2. But some professing "Christian" religions also teach a
different Jesus
a. That He is a created being (Jehovah Witnesses)
b. That He is a god among many gods (Mormons)
c. The "Jesus Seminar" has sought to redefine who Jesus was,
by stripping Him of many of the teachings and miracles
attributed to Him in the Bible.
There are lot's of jesus's. But only One Jesus ninja.
So which of these Jesus's is best to use in a trading card battle ?
Is 2a a rare card ?
Or is 1b a limited edition mail order only hologram card ?
There are lot's of Pikachu's. But only one Pikachu JBF.
Jesus will be coming soon...
Is he going to bring trading card "swaps" with him ?
Will you tell him I've got three A1's that I will trade for one1 decent 2B as long as its got gods hologram signature and a "genuine costume piece" of the Turin Shroud ?
I also have massive job lots of muslim, hindu, Buddhist cards that he might be interested in. I know he probably doesn't collect these but I think he may be interested in just how many people on the planet do collect from these series almost exclusively ! with no interest in the Christian series !
Actually, He is coming for His own. Are you coming with us ninja?
I'm not sure.
Where are you going ?
and
Will Jesus be providing transport and catering ?
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cynicalninja wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Actually, He is coming for His own. Are you coming with us ninja?
I'm not sure.
Where are you going ?
and
Will Jesus be providing transport and catering ?
#1. Heaven
#2. Transportation will be provided and don't worry about the food... you will be well taken care of.
So?  Are you coming?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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I thought it might be timely to pull up this one up again for refreshment.
"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds..."
Hebrews 1:1-2
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The Godhead of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit being three yet also One is foundational to the early church and is one of the Christian essentials. To say one is Christian yet not see Jesus as fully God is an unfortunate. The re-interpretation of the scriptures is usually the root cause and not a lack of desire to understand. The Holy Spirit teaches yet many follow false prophets who claims to have the truth.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."
Matthew 24:4
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Jesus was the son of God, just like you and me, he came here to show you what YOU can do with a little faith!
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