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If you read the books of other religions you will see the founders of other religions have a lot to say about Jesus. Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Of course the Baha'i faith has a version of Jesus too. Joseph Smith of the Mormon's claimed Jesus was created, exactly the same way Lucifer was created. So, who are we to believe? The founders of these other religions use the Bible as their basis for their revelation of God. But they did not read the Bible's warning in the Book of Revelation 22:18: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" A drop of poison goes a long way... Last edited on 01:59 pm by JustifiedByFaith  Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Mohammed and the Bible are incompatible then, having totally different assessments of Jesus. I take it that is one of your points, JBF? How do the Bahai's explain this glaring contrast?
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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Yes, the Baha'i have a "different Jesus". I'm sure if you wait patiently... they will gladly share a version of Him and explain away Islam's error. Yes, the New Testament was written by "eye witnesses" of Jesus. These men walked, talked and ate with Him. These modern religions take a little of the bible and then add their twists to make Jesus out to be who they want Him to be. Last edited on 02:46 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
Dear friend, Tell me, JBF, what poisoned you? The only thing you to seem to know about the Qur'an and other Scriptures is what others have told you about them. The glaring example of this is that Muhammad didn't write anything. Does your "Jesus" require such bitterness? Such poison? This reads like it. I recall a week or so ago you were poisoning others about the Pope. I'd suggest you refrain from comparing other Scriptures with your understanding of the Bible until such time that you actually understand something about those other Scriptures. You are right that my understanding of Jesus is different then your understanding of Jesus. "O ye seeming fair yet inwardly foul! Ye are like clear but bitter water, which to outward seeming is crystal pure but of which, when tested by the Divine Assayer, not a drop is accepted. Yea, the sunbeam falls alike upon the dust and the mirror, yet differ they in reflection even as doth the star from the earth: nay, immeasurable is the difference!" (Baha'u'llah, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 15) Free  man
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Dear friend, There ya go again! I feel your pain, JBF. It must hard for you trying to keep up. Others here really are trying to help you out here, but why in cist on presenting such obvious statements of your beliefs that you know are of little or no help to your cause? According to the Bibles I've read, Paul did not walk, talk or eat with Jesus. Are you twisting round the Tree of Zaqqum yourself here? Do you really think you can cut down the Sadrat'ul-Muntaha that easily? You're right: My understanding of Jesus is "different" then your understanding of Jesus. Free man
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Oh Free.man...
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Did Mohammed write that stuff or not?
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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Mohammed wrote that Jesus did not die on the cross. He wrote that Allah has no son. He wrote that Jesus was a mere mortal. Dear friend, No, Muhammad did not. Muhammad never wrote what JBF claims He wrote. It seems once again JBF is repeating what others have told him is true. I always find it interesting when someone, time and time again, continues to allow others to use him in such a way. He seems to enjoy it though. Clearly, Jesus is not different but how He is presented sure is. Free.man
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Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Matthew 24:23 Hmmm...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Dear friend, I noticed you been doin a lot of Hmmm...'n round here. Is this where I throw a quote back at cha cha cha? Free man
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Free.man wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Not necessary. Do the Baha'is say Christ returned in the flesh in the 1800s?
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4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." Conflict?
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Dear friend, What translation did you use? How does 4:156 relate to 4:157-159? What's it's ecbasis? I ask because I see this quote presented a lot by others who seem to not know that 4:156 carries the vehicle or concept foreward from the ayahs(lines) that preceed it, IMO. I find many people copy and paste without reading the quote in context. 4:157-159 does carry the concept. I apologize if I got it wrong. What say you? Here are the quotes in Arabic: 156. Wabikufrihim waqawlihim AAala maryama buhtanan AAatheeman 157. Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan 158. Bal rafaAAahu Allahu ilayhi wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman 159. Wa-in min ahli alkitabi illa layu/minanna bihi qabla mawtihi wayawma alqiyamati yakoonu AAalayhim shaheedan Here are other translations: 004.157 YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. 004.158 YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. 004.159 YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;- PICKTHAL: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them - SHAKIR: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them. Please note all the differences and similarities in all these English translations along with the one you provided. A person can come away with a number of interpretations because of the variety of translations. You can decide for yourself how you want to interpret these. However, I find 4:159 as the closing of the concept to be most interesting. What say you? By the way, as I've indicated some time ago, Arabic has 'sound figures' that are not present in the English translations that you don't have access to unless you understand Arabic. Then there is the Arabic Abjad that impacts the meaning that are not present in English. Free  man
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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24HourNut wrote: 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." no...Mohammed is speaking of the reality of Christ...the Spirit of Christ. No matter what they did to His body...His reality, His Spirit would endure.  6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. - (King James Bible, John)
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Wow, how is the average person on Earth, who can barely read, figure out this stuff? It's too annoying and complicated to me, personally. I am better off sticking to my Agnostic club until God sends me a CLEAR message other than the one I am getting which is to avoid this stuff! 
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