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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Do you have a " Different Jesus'? |
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Free.man Original500© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Dear friend, I'll tell you what, JBF, you can read it for yourself so you can interpret for yourself what Baha'i Scripture has to say on the subject. You can get it directly from the horses mouth, in a manner of speaking. Then again, different Baha'is may have differing opinions on the subject. As stated before, there is lots to choose from. Just let me know which of the Baha'i Scriptures you want to read and a Baha'i will provide the book(s) for your perusal. Free  man
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Free.man Original500© Member
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24HourNut wrote: Wow, how is the average person on Earth, who can barely read, figure out this stuff? It's too annoying and complicated to me, personally. I am better off sticking to my Agnostic club until God sends me a CLEAR message other than the one I am getting which is to avoid this stuff! Dear friend, Hehehehe! Nobody is going to twist your arm. It is all there if one wants to study it. It really is quite simple, IMO, God sent Baha'u'llah to bring the world into all Truth(at least all Truth that the world can handle at this time). It is a weighty claim. You can check it out for yourself or, or not. Look, I know I give people a hard time when they make a statement, repeat or paste something that they didn't check out first, but after a while they have to know that somebody actually reads what they claim and call them on it if it doesn't read quite right. I don't feel real sorry for them if they continue to do it after being called on it more then a few times. I just think it's a good idea to check it before ya post it. That way, at least, ya don't look like trying to Sylvester someone else's Tweety Bird(if ya know what I mene. ;O) Jesus, Muhammad, Baha'u'llah and others make claims that seem way out there. I checked them out and made my call. That's me. You gotta do what ya gotta do. Peace be upon you Free.man
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Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Wow, how is the average person on Earth, who can barely read, figure out this stuff? It's too annoying and complicated to me, personally. I am better off sticking to my Agnostic club until God sends me a CLEAR message other than the one I am getting which is to avoid this stuff! Very good post I thought, but I think you glossed over the inherent complication and confusion in comparing and understanding (not to mention, just buying) scriptures and organized religions. I think you and I both know that most people on the planet either never were or never could really make very informed decisions. That is really why almost everyone is basically born into their religion. My peace comes from being comfortable that if there is a God, I am supposed to be using my sense and reasoning about such matters, especially since I have given it lots of deep thought and consideration over the years. I am willing to bet that I, like everyone here who reads such threads or material, am more aware and informed than the average person on Earth. The average person on Earth probably doesn't have indoor plumbing and will never read or write well, I think. So it stands to reason that this system is not for the average person. Or at least, a great many people. These people are expected to join like sheep. It's another piece of evidence, in my book, that points to it being a purely man-made system. In any case - peace, like you said. It's just that my peace comes from knowing that there is no way I will suffer any penalty from a loving God for using the sense and reasoning I was born with. I have no reason to think that how I view things is not how God wants me to. I have no reason to think that the truth is not what I say, which is that all organized religions are purely man-made and none of these scriptures are the word of God. Other people writing and saying stuff doesn't seem to come close to this clear message I have always felt comfortable with, in whatever relationship I have had with God.
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Amy wrote: 24HourNut wrote:4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them." Here we go again. For some reason  my Bahai friends just can't let something say what it say's.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut wrote: Wow, how is the average person on Earth, who can barely read, figure out this stuff? It's too annoying and complicated to me, personally. I am better off sticking to my Agnostic club until God sends me a CLEAR message other than the one I am getting which is to avoid this stuff! Okay, here is the CLEAR message: 1. We are all supposed to love each other. 2. BECAUSE we love each other, violence is not acceptable. 3. Pay no attention to anyone who tries to make excuses for hate and discrimination. That's a start. There's more, such as "we should all learn to speak and write the same language, so that wherever we travel it will be like going home" and "the rich should voluntarily give of their abundance so that no-one while be in extreme poverty and want" and some other things.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name saying, "I am the Christ," and will deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man wrote:24HourNut wrote:Wow, how is the average person on Earth, who can barely read, figure out this stuff? It's too annoying and complicated to me, personally. I am better off sticking to my Agnostic club until God sends me a CLEAR message other than the one I am getting which is to avoid this stuff! "This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination. Thou dost witness how most of the commentaries and interpretations of the words of God, now current amongst men, are devoid of truth. Their falsity hath, in some cases, been exposed when the intervening veils were rent asunder. They themselves have acknowledged their failure in apprehending the meaning of any of the words of God. " ~ Baha`u'llah Religion should be decided by independent thought, not just because that's what your parents or clergy taught you to believe. Regards, Scott
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Religion should be decided by independent thought, not just because that's what your parents or clergy taught you to believe. Agreed! 
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"It's just that my peace comes from knowing that there is no way I will suffer any penalty from a loving God for using the sense and reasoning I was born with. " Abdu'l Baha, Bahai World Faith,pp. 239-240: "The fourth teaching of Bahá'u'lláh is the agreement of religion and science. God has endowed man with intelligence and reason whereby he is required to determine the verity of questions and propositions. If religious beliefs and opinions are found contrary to the standards of science they are mere superstitions and imaginations; for the antithesis of knowledge is ignorance, and the child of ignorance is superstition. Unquestionably there must be agreement between true religion and science. If a question be found contrary to reason, faith and belief in it are impossible and there is no outcome but wavering and vacillation. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: "It's just that my peace comes from knowing that there is no way I will suffer any penalty from a loving God for using the sense and reasoning I was born with. " Scott, you're being silly. Everyone knows the dinosaurs were around when people were, and were on the Ark too, along with slugs that teleported to it from other continents. I am being sarcastic. I do appreciate the relatively refreshing stance of the Bahai in some matters.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Free.man, It's obvious that the Bahai faith say's that Christ has returned as promised. They say he came in Baha'u'llah. This is saying that Baha'u'llah is Christ. You can't play word games on this one Free.man. Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Matthew 24:23
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Hi, JBF. I'm confused by this. Christians do believe that Christ is coming back, don't they? If that's true, then I would assume that one of these days, someone is going to say, "Look! There's Christ!", and they'd be right.... wouldn't they?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man, Dear friend, Clearly, you have missed the True One; among all who make such a claim; Who is the Christ Spirit returned. Nobody says you have to like it. :-( LAWH-I-AQDAS (The Most Holy Tablet, Sometimes referred to as Tablet to the Christians.) 9 This is the Most Holy Tablet sent down from the holy kingdom unto the one who hath set his face towards the Object of the adoration of the world, He Who hath come from the heaven of eternity, invested with transcendent glory In the name of the Lord, the Lord of great glory. THIS is an Epistle from Our presence unto him whom the veils of names have failed to keep back from God, the Creator of earth and heaven, that his eyes may be cheered in the days of his Lord, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Say, O followers of the Son![1] Have ye shut out yourselves from Me by reason of My Name? Wherefore ponder ye not in your hearts? Day and night ye have been calling upon your Lord, the Omnipotent, but when He came from the heaven of eternity in His great glory, ye turned aside from Him and remained sunk in heedlessness. [1 Jesus.] Consider those who rejected the Spirit [1] when He came unto them with manifest dominion. How numerous the Pharisees who had secluded themselves in synagogues in His name, lamenting over their separation from Him, and yet when the portals of reunion were flung open and the divine Luminary shone resplendent from the Dayspring of Beauty, they disbelieved in God, the Exalted, the Mighty. They failed to attain His presence, notwithstanding that 10 His advent had been promised them in the Book of Isaiah as well as in the Books of the Prophets and the Messengers. No one from among them turned his face towards the Dayspring of divine bounty except such as were destitute of any power amongst men. And yet, today, every man endowed with power and invested with sovereignty prideth himself on His Name. Moreover, call thou to mind the one who sentenced Jesus to death. He was the most learned of his age in his own country, whilst he who was only a fisherman believed in Him. Take good heed and be of them that observe the warning. [1 Jesus.] Consider likewise, how numerous at this time are the monks who have secluded themselves in their churches, calling upon the Spirit, but when He appeared through the power of Truth, they failed to draw nigh unto Him and are numbered with those that have gone far astray. Happy are they that have abandoned them and set their faces towards Him Who is the Desire of all that are in the heavens and all that are on the earth. They read the Evangel and yet refuse to acknowledge the All-Glorious Lord, notwithstanding that He hath come through the potency of His exalted, His mighty and gracious dominion. We, verily, have come for your sakes, and have borne the misfortunes of the world for your salvation. Flee ye the One Who hath sacrificed His life that ye may be quickened? Fear God, O followers of the Spirit, and walk not in the footsteps of every divine that hath gone far astray. Do ye imagine that He seeketh His own interests, when He hath, at all times, been threatened by the swords of the enemies; or that He seeketh the vanities of the world, after He hath been imprisoned in the most desolate of cities? Be fair in your judgement and follow not the footsteps of the unjust. 11 Open the doors of your hearts. He Who is the Spirit verily standeth before them. Wherefore banish ye Him Who hath purposed to draw you nigh unto a Resplendent Spot? Say: We, in truth, have opened unto you the gates of the Kingdom. Will ye bar the doors of your houses in My face? This indeed is naught but a grievous error. He, verily, hath again come down from heaven, even as He came down from it the first time. Beware lest ye dispute that which He proclaimeth, even as the people before you disputed His utterances. Thus instructeth you the True One, could ye but perceive it. The river Jordan is joined to the Most Great Ocean, and the Son, in the holy vale, crieth out: 'Here am I, here am I O Lord, my God!', whilst Sinai circleth round the House, and the Burning Bush calleth aloud: 'He Who is the Desired One is come in His transcendent majesty.' Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: 'Ye cannot bear it now.' And when the appointed time was fulfilled and the Hour had struck, the Word shone forth above the horizon of the Will of God. Beware, O followers of the Son, that ye cast it not behind your backs. Take ye fast hold of it. Better is this for you than all that ye possess. Verily He is nigh unto them that do good. The Hour which We had concealed from the knowledge of the peoples of the earth and of the favoured angels hath come to pass. Say, verily, He hath testified of Me, and I do testify of Him. Indeed, He hath purposed no one other than Me. Unto this beareth witness every fair-minded and understanding soul (Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 4) Free  man
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Brian wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Jesus said, " Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ! or "There!" do not believe it." Gopod question. Jesus explains how to test those who claim a revelation. First the claimant has to create a tree and the tree will bear fruit. Test the fruit for goodness because evil fruit cannot come from a good tree. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Searching The Hearts Of Man
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Brian, When He comes people won't say, "There He is." or "Look, He's over there." This an example by Jesus about pointing to the false christs of today. When the "real" Christ comes... it will be sudden and "every eye will see Him" just like the bible says. Here you have two choices regarding Jesus 2nd coming: Choice 1. The Bible version Choice 2. The Bahai version Last edited on 04:27 am by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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