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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > Do you have a " Different Jesus'? |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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I am just realizing by virtue of the fact that Jesus died on the cross, he couldn't have been God. He was, at best, a manifestation or rep of God.
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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24HourNut wrote: I am just realizing by virtue of the fact that Jesus died on the cross, he couldn't have been God. He was, at best, a manifestation or rep of God. Now think about this one: If Jesus was NOT a man facing agonizing death, what was the point of His suffering? Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote: I am = I am God? I don't get it. Jesus couldn't have been God. God would have been killed on the cross, then. Did you make time to read the article? The Trinity is all over the bible. The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are God in 3 persons. The Holy Spirit is described in the bible as a "He". John tells us that Jesus "The Word" was with God and IS God in John 1:1. They interchange yet are also individual. The Godhead is greater than our mere perceptions. The Godhead must be seen in it's entirety. 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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JBF, I understand that is your opinion but so far the verses you presented do not give me reason to think everyone should just assume as you do. I didn't read the article - I was interested in the verses you present that are supposed to be clear to all that you are correct. So far, it doesn't make sense that Jesus was actually God because he died on the cross. I doubt God was killed that day. Death on Earth but representing God is what a prophet or manifestation thingie would do, it seems. 
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But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:10-14
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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So, it seems, your interpretation isn't necessarily the correct or right one for everybody. You mention spirit a lot, and take things figuratively at times, so it seems Jesus was God in spirit when he died on the cross ... not GOD, with GOD dying on the cross.
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I guess this is also why there are a kazillion Christian sects ... everyone has legitimate claims to interpreting it their way. Like I've always said, all those sects, and the conflict between religions and people and all that, are the natural and predictable result of an inefficient and inherently problematic text-based system. Do you have a Different Jesus? Yes, we all do, it seems.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I am = I am God? I don't get it. Jesus couldn't have been God. God would have been killed on the cross, then. Dear friend, Are you saying then that Jesus was schizophrenic? John 14:11 then says Jesus had at least 2 individual persons in Him as is also confirmed in John 10:30? If Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is as you say , an individual, then are you saying there are actually at least three individuals in Jesus? Are you saying that when Jesus was crucified there were at least 2 individuals in Him(1-Jesus 2-Holy Spirit)? Was God the individual Person outside of Jesus at the time because Jesus was praying to Him? So, then, Jesus the individual person died and the Holy Spirit individual person also died? I thought the Holy Spirit individual person can not die? If you claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit individual person are you schizophrenic? If, according to you, I make the same claim of the Holy Spirit being in me, am I also in the same state as you? If the Holy Spirit individual person is in you and the Holy Spirit individual person is in me then, according to you, there are at least 2 individual Holy Spirit persons? Are there actually billions of Holy Spirit individual persons? What happens when a person dies; does the Holy Spirit individual person die also or do some people have more then 1 Holy Spirit individual person in her?(great opportunity for a mondo macho statement here ;O) You left yourself wide open for this one, JBF! Just askin? Free  man
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Yeah, besides DYING on the cross, didn't Jesus also pray to God? Father forgive them ...? So obviously Jesus was not GOD, but a rep, prophet, manifestation, or whatever.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I am = I am God? I don't get it. Jesus couldn't have been God. God would have been killed on the cross, then. Godhead is not just a Christian term, it's also Hindu. The word "Trintiy" is never mentioned in the Gospels, nor is there any direct application of it other than in some very bad English translation from the Greek in the KJV. God ALmighty is spoken of as "he" in the Old and New Testaments. It is a grammatical quirk in Hebrew, Greek and English. Just because the languages deal with the God concept as masculine does not mean God has testicles and gender. I've seen an independent Protestant Bible study on the Gospel of John which tries to say that every time Jesus says "I am" it is a statement of being God. If the Gospel had ever mentioned going to the bathroom, I'm sure the "scholar" would have applied it to the same purpose. "They interchange yet are also individual" Yet to say that about the Manifestations Themselves throws you into a snit fit. Regards, Scott
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Sorry guys. You have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior to receive the Holy Spirit to discern the bible. Jesus said often, "He who has ears to hear let him hear..."
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Scott, Your reasoning "tickles the ears" and your speech persuades the non-believers very well. You bring "smooth words and flattering speech"...but the end leads not to truth nor light.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott, Surely that's not an abandonment of the field. From Tablets of Abdu'l Baha (part of a prayer): "O Lord! Attune our ears so that we may hear the call of the Supreme Concourse. O Lord! Render our tongues eloquent so that we may become engaged in Thy commemoration. O Lord! Sanctify and purify the hearts so that the effulgence of Thy love may shine therein." Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Scott, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:8
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Frank, Scott, sirlamre, Free.man, Amy... Question: Why did the Jews pick up stones to stone Jesus? Jesus said to them, "I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 10:30-33
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