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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:


The bible teaches that "All fall short of the glory of God." This includes Baha'u'llah who must be saved.
That is incorrect. "Baha'u'llah" is an Arabic term. In English it means "The Glory of God". Therefore the Bible teaches that all fall short of Baha'u'llah.


You got to be kidding. So Baha'u'llah is the standard giver?




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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:  

Well berinwitness.:)

That was fun. I will check back later tonight.

It's midnight here. I should get some sleep.

I look forward to us touching on some more specific areas in the near future that other Bahai members didn't stay the course.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the other Baha'is on this thread have not answered your questions?

Yes, my focus is the so-called ties of Baha'u'llah and the bible. If Jesus was speaking about Baha'u'llah who is to come then we got a lot to cover.::chuckle::




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Aethelred wrote:
There are over 300 things in the Old Testament that were fullfilled by Jesus in the New Testament,

Says who? The Jews? Or the Christians? If you accept what the Christians say about what prophecies Jesus fulfilled, wouldn't it be fair to examine what the Baha'is say about Baha'u'llah fulfilling prophecies of the Second Coming?
I have read many of the Baha'i writings
Please list them.
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Aethelred wrote:
What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?



 

Bring it on.

 

But didn't Baha'u'llah say that there would not be another for 1000+ years?

Quite true. And if Baha'u'llah is who He claims to be then I'm confident God will protect me from joining a false religion. I have nothing to fear by reading their literature and attending their meetings.
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berinwitness wrote: Aethelred wrote:
There are over 300 things in the Old Testament that were fullfilled by Jesus in the New Testament,

Says who? The Jews? Or the Christians? If you accept what the Christians say about what prophecies Jesus fulfilled, wouldn't it be fair to examine what the Baha'is say about Baha'u'llah fulfilling prophecies of the Second Coming?


Did Baha'u'llah come in the clouds?




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Baha'u'llah is the standard giver?
If you mean that Baha'u'llah's claims should be judged true or false by the standard Baha'u'llah Himself sets, yes, He is the standard giver. We should see Him through His own eyes and not through the eyes of others.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Baha'u'llah is the standard giver?
If you mean that Baha'u'llah's claims should be judged true or false by the standard Baha'u'llah Himself sets, yes, He is the standard giver. We should see Him through His own eyes and not through the eyes of others.
Do the Bahai's beleive Baha'u'llah is Jesus the Christ... the Son of the Living God in the flesh again?




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berinwitness wrote: Aethelred wrote:
There are over 300 things in the Old Testament that were fullfilled by Jesus in the New Testament

Says who? The Jews? Or the Christians? If you accept what the Christians say about what prophecies Jesus fulfilled, wouldn't it be fair to examine what the Baha'is say about Baha'u'llah fulfilling prophecies of the Second Coming?Says ME who has read them with my own eyes!  It is not about religion with me, it is about following and having a relationship with God! I could care less what the Jews or Christians think!
I have read many of the Baha'i writings
Please list them.

What, you don't believe me?  I am not sure I can spell any of them and it has been many years, but...

I have read most of "Answered Questions," some of "Gleanings"  "Thief the Night" by William Sear or Sears, some book I forget the title of that was designed for "teaching Christians" and a Baha'i prayer book.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: If Jesus was speaking about Baha'u'llah who is to come then we got a lot to cover.::chuckle::
When I first began wondering if I had been mislead by the Baha'is I spent seven years comparing Chritianity and the Baha'i Faith.
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berinwitness wrote: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the other Baha'is on this thread have not answered your questions?



Dearest berinwitness,

Bahá'ís on this forum have answered JBF's questions ad nauseum but he refuses to listen.  It is a pointless exercise and only serves to cause dissension.  Why engage in "debate" with someone unwilling to hear?  JBF does not have a heart open to Bahá'u'lláh.  I respect him dearly but he is entirely unwilling to listen to others.  It is a pointless exercise.  Our dear Aethelred is also very well acquainted with Bahá'í teachings, but he is likewise unwilling to listen.  Our responsibility as Bahá'ís is to offer the healing balm of Bahá'u'lláh's Revelation; if the listener does not accept, we must show the utmost love and leave them to themselves.  Should JBF or Aethelred ever be open to receiving the Message of Christ renewed, they know where to look.

"O people of Baha! Ye are the dawning-places of the Love and daysprings of the Favor of God. Defile not your tongues with cursing or execrating anyone, and guard your eyes from that which is not worthy. Show forth that which ye possess (i.e. Truth). If it be accepted, the aim is attained. If not, to rebuke or interfere with him who rejects is vain. Leave him to himself, and advance towards God, the Protector, the Self-Subsistent. Be not the cause of sorrow, how much less of sedition and strife! It is hoped that ye may be nurtured in the shade of the tree of Divine Bounty and act as God has willed for you. Ye are all leaves of one tree and drops of one sea." -Bahá'u'lláh, the Tablet of Ishraqat

God bless you all!

And a very happy Ridván to you, berinwitness!

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Did Baha'u'llah come in the clouds?
Baha'u'llah gives a symbolic interpretation of those prophetic clouds in the Kitab-i-Iqan. He came in THOSE clouds.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: If Jesus was speaking about Baha'u'llah who is to come then we got a lot to cover.::chuckle::
When I first began wondering if I had been mislead by the Baha'is I spent seven years comparing Chritianity and the Baha'i Faith.
I appreciate your confidence and boldness in your faith. I respect people who have a back bone and take a stand. I will continue to engage with you on what I hope to remain as mutually friendly terms. :)




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Quite true. And if Baha'u'llah is who He claims to be then I'm confident God will protect me from joining a false religion. I have nothing to fear by reading their literature and attending their meetings.
However, you have already made up you mind because they would not agree with what Baha'u'llah said, right?

In the same way I looked at the Baha'i Faith, found that Baha'u'llah was NOT what Jesus claimed He IS and I now reject the Baha'i Faith as one of the false religions founded by a false Christ, that Jesus warned about in Matthew 24.
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Britt wrote: berinwitness wrote: I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the other Baha'is on this thread have not answered your questions?



Dearest berinwitness,

Bahá'ís on this forum have answered JBF's questions ad nauseum but he refuses to listen. 

::wiseman:: were busy Britt. :)

berinwitness gets the :iwon: award.




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Do the Bahai's beleive Baha'u'llah is Jesus the Christ... the Son of the Living God in the flesh again?
If you mean the same flesh Jesus had 2000 years ago, no. Baha'u'llah has the same spiritual connection to God that Jesus has. Therfore They are the same Person.

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