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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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"The conditions that are indicated in the Gospel for the second coming of Christ are the same as those that were mentioned for the first coming, as we said before." Abdu'l Baha JBF says:   "We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ." 2 Thessalonians 1:3-12
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"and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, " Exactly Abdu'l Baha's point. N icely reasoned. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Popeyesays wrote: "and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, " So are you waiting for Him to come from heaven like I am?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:JBF, I don't think their messiah will be coming from that direction. Not if I understand the bible correctly. Of course, someone will come in here and tell me I don't."and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, "
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muddawber wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Dear friend,Popeyesays wrote:JBF, I don't think their messiah will be coming from that direction. Not if I understand the bible correctly. Of course, someone will come in here and tell me I don't."and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, " Yes, some might say: The proof is in the putzing  Free.man
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:"and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, " I was. He did. The choice was just as hard for me to make as it was for those who lived in the time of Jesus. That's the main reason all this rapture and taking up, and descending on a cloud, or the LDS concept of Jesus appearing to the new world never satisfied me. It seemed collossaly unfair for me to expect to see an outwardly miraculous event with everyone else on earth, with no doubt or test of faith involved. Why should I not face the same difficulty the average Palestinian or Roman faced when Jesus walked amongst us. If He came to judge the spiritually quick and the dead, why should I get an automatic 'A' for the test when Ananias, Caiaphas or Pilate got put to such a harsh test? Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Popeyesays wrote:"and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, " Questioon #1. If he came the 2nd time why are you not living and reigning with him today? Question #2. Why are you looking at Baha'u'llah if he and Muhammed are not here? Neither have performed what Jesus and the scriptures said He would do?
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
What did the Jewish authorities say about Jesus? Did those authorities accept Him as Messiah or did the Sanhedrin claim that He had not fulfilled the requirements put forth in the TaNakh (Hebrew Bible, what Christians tend to call the Old Testament)? If Jesus did NOT fulfill those requirements literally, but rather fulfilled them spiritually why not the same criteria for Muhammed and Baha`u'llah? Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Let's try again.  Question #1. If he came the 2nd time why are you not living and reigning with him today? Question #2. Why are you looking at Baha'u'llah if he and Muhammed are not here? Neither have performed what Jesus and the scriptures said He would do?
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
 I am!  59. O SON OF BEING! (Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote: Nice way to slide past a question, Mike. #1: As Amy said: "I am." Baha`u'llah is the new Temple, however He delivered it in a large crate with the label: "Some Assembly Required." The Kingdom of God is here, but the human race must see it established, that's our responsibility. #2: Baha`u'llah and Muhammed ARE here--the book, the followers, Their spirits. Now why should we expect Muhammed and Baha`u'llah to fulfill YOUR concept of performance of prophecy. When Jesus appeared the Sanhedrin called Him a false prophet. Which leads me to repeat MY question: "What did the Jewish authorities say about Jesus? Did those authorities accept Him as Messiah or did the Sanhedrin claim that He had not fulfilled the requirements put forth in the TaNakh (Hebrew Bible, what Christians tend to call the Old Testament)? If Jesus did NOT fulfill those requirements literally, but rather fulfilled them spiritually why not the same criteria for Muhammed and Baha`u'llah?" Regards, Scott 
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Scott, It is virtually impossible to carry on a productive conversation when almost everything is rolled upside down and placed into a symbolic allegory. With this type of word play...one can never have a firm foundation to build a discussion on.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Scott, Suchh is the intellectual process. Paradigms change. New understandings illuminate. Life goes on. Move it or lose it. Adapt or fail. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Scott, Your advice would lead me astray. In Jesus alone I am complete.
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