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24HourForums.com > The Top 10 Supported Forums > 24's Religion & Philosophy > The Official Christianity vs Baha'i Topic! |
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Free.man, Crazy cults can have peace and unity within, as well. The confusion and conflict is not really within, generally speaking. The confusion and conflict is what organized religions, Bahai or not, inject into the world - naturally, and predictably. As they are all doing NOW, and always did. Studying text is not a solution. Anyone can write text, claim stuff, say miracles happened ... archaic just makes it worse. I am not whining, just saying what the deal seems to be to me. Inherent problems of text-based stuff with no miracle testing. Same junk that has plagued the world and still causes conflict and confusion. That is the problem with multiple, text-based religions. And it is not MY problem that the Baha'u'llah is dead, that is the problem of the organized religion that wants to bypass the problems of past organized religions, which they never will (as if God requires, needs, or produces organized worship - NOT!) Sorry if you react to it as you do, but that's your emotional issue, not mine. Just sayin.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Free.man wrote:24HourNut wrote:True about original intent. Knowing the full range of the author's original intent is so very difficult and open to interpretation - especially when housed in a book like the Bible that is full of allegory and symbolism, and even embellishment. That speaks to my original point - that is an inherent problem with archaic text-based organized religion. That is why experts don't agree and we have so many sects. There is no one absolute and clear truth to unite all. There isn't even objective evidence to say which religion is 100% right or if any are. Dear friend, # 1. Poor JBF, emoting . . . again? You, as usual, prove my point: you have no authority over what the Bible means. Anyone can interpret the Bible anyway they want and there is not one thing that you can do about it except maybe quote the Bible to show your own lack of authority. Jesus demonstrated His authority. Jesus reportedly passed the authority on to others. I'd say if you claim you recieved that authority and are unable or unwilling too demonstrate yourself that authority then you ain't got it. Try something more then just f.e.e.i.n.g.s. #2. You will never know unless you study. If for no other reason then to "prove" Baha'u'llah wrong. I guess the proof is in the putzing. If, as you claim, Baha'u'llah is wrong; then you would have no problem showing this; even without the aid of the Holy Spirit. However, even when thinking the Holy Spirit is with you and you still are unwilling and unable to prove Baha'u'llah wrong; then maybe the Holy Spirit is *not* with you. Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. - 1Cor. 13:8-12 - So, let's see your next quote?  Free  man
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Well, Frank, I agree that God needs nothing from us at all. That does not mean we need nothing from God, however. Grammatically speaking the name "Baha`u'llah" does not require an article in front it--it's like saying THE The Glory of God. In Arabic 'the' is 'al', like in al-Islam. It's like saying "Bahaism" which correlates to saying "Christianityism". "Crazy cults can have peace and unity within, as well." Like Christianity or Islam? Though Christianity is far worse off with some 20,000+ sects and denominations. Islam has far fewer sects. only about a dozen or so. The Baha`i Faith talks about unity and even with a half-dozen tiny splinters more than 95% of the people who claim to be Baha`i recognize a single authority--the Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel. Adherents.com lists religions by many categories and quite distinctly recognizes the Baha`i Faith as being the most unified world religion by far. ----------------------------------- Classical World Religions Ranked by Internal Religious Similarity: Most Unified to Most Diverse Baha'i Zoroastrianism Sikhism Islam Jainism Judaism Taoism Shinto Christianity Buddhism Hinduism No "value judgement" is implied by this list. There are adjectives with both positive and negative connotations which describe both ends of this spectrum. From an academic, comparative religions viewpoint, there is no basis for "prescribing" whether it is better for a religion to be highly unified, cohesive, monolithic, and lacking in internal religious diversity, or whether it is better to be fragmented, schismatic, diverse, multifaceted and abounding in variations on the same theme. In a practical sense, most people actually practice only one form of whatever religion they belong to. Buddhism, for example, if viewed as a whole, can be understood to have a large amount of internal variation, including the Theravada and Mahayana branches, all of their sub-schools, various revivalist sects, as well as Tibetan and modern Western forms. But most actual Buddhists are not actually involved in all of these; rather they practice one, internally cohesive, fairly unified form, such as the Geluk order of Tibetan Buddhism, or Japanese Amida-Buddha worship. http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html ------------------------------ I(n short there is "unity" and there is "Unity". Regards, Scott
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JBF, Abdu'l Baha says that the Christians who insist that Baha`u'llah has nothing to do with Christ or Christians should be left to themselves by Baha`i's. However when those Christians offer advice on what is wrong with the Baha`i Faith and are in error, then we must use eloquence and argument to combat those errors. In short, leave us alone, and we leave you alone. In a practical sense nothing has ever caused the Baha`i Faith to grow faster than opposition. Opposition has raised the faith from obscurity. So we welcome it as good fertilizer for the "good" tree. Thank you, we appreciate it. Regards, Scott
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man, Dear friend, Nice try  Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. If I wanted to know about, say, Shakespear it would probably be a good idea if I actually read some of his work. I don't have to. I could just go by what others tell me about the subject. I don't even have to study him even if my teacher assigned me to it. I still have the choice of getting some kind of personal understanding or not; getting a good grade or not, try to fake my way through it or not; whine about it or not and/or much more-or-less. Shakespear is dead. I may be inconflict about this, but, I got to go somewhere to gain some understanding of the subject whether I like it or not. I could do nothing and it would be my lose. Ignorance is not a substitute for knowing. You and I can debate the importance and or value of such information all we want and maybe even continue in conflict. Free.man
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. I was speaking to the confusion and conflict that is unique or innate to organized religion. What you see today and in the past was a natural and predictable byproduct of text-based organized religions.
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24HourNut wrote: Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. What you refer to was clergy worried about their next bowl of rice. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. No, I am referring to the inherent problems with text-based organized religion.
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24HourNut wrote: Popeyesays wrote:24HourNut wrote:Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. Clergy and the self-interest of clergy is the inherent problem yhou describe. Regards, Scott
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Free.man wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Free.man says: "The outcome of such a thread like - Christianity vs. Baha'i - only shows the Baha'is are not only prevailing because of it but will always prevail." I am sorry you have been deceived Free  man. In time maybe the mind will no longer be blinded and you will see the freedom in Christ and the way?
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Popeyesays wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Popeyesays wrote:24HourNut wrote:Confusion and conflict are a part of this world whether from religion or not. This is not unique to religion. Well you can keep saying that but that is not my view or what I was expressing. I believe there are inherent problems with text-based organized religions. Problems that stem simply from being text-based organized religions. I've listed those reasons and got into them many times in the past. Creating confusion and conflict is a natural and predictable byproduct of systems based on the writings of dead people meant to have a following. Humans using text as the basis of their organized religion has inherent problems. Clergy just make it worse.
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24HourNut wrote:
Human thought has inherent problems, Frank. Apostasy and false religions are clergy calls not religious distinctions. Threaten the authority, prestige, respect and livlihood of a priest and see how fast he declares you a heretic. Jesus threatened the Pharisees. Moses threatened the priests of the pharoah, Abraham threatened the priests of His father's city. Muhammed threatened the power and control of the Christian church. The Bab asnd Baha`u'llah threatened to clergy-ridden society of Shi'ih Islam. You seem to not realize that the symptom IS the disease in this instance. Regards, Scott
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I don't see how anything you said negates the validity of my assessment that text-based organized religions have serious inherent problems simply because they are text-based organized religions. If you don't think they do for some reason, that's fine. But it's very obvious to me.
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24HourNut wrote: I don't see how anything you said negates the validity of my assessment that text-based organized religions have serious inherent problems simply because they are text-based organized religions. If you don't think they do for some reason, that's fine. But it's very obvious to me. To me its much like misdiagnosing a case of lung cancer for simple pneumonia. It changes outcomes. Regards, Scott
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That's one reason why I don't go by how you diagnose things. Denial delays the proper treatment.
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