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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Frank wrote:"I can't relate to picking and choosing so absolutely in that realm because I believe we can't know the truth." Someone deciding to believe in a particular organized religion, or deciding to believe something about Jesus or any other such thing, does not mean they have selected the right religion or know the absolute truth. It just means they happen to have decided to believe something. In other words, JBF's personal beliefs do not necessarily equate to the absolute truth of the matter. Just because you happen to believe in Jesus doesn't mean it is absolutely true that Jesus did anything supernatural. You could easily be believing something totally different if you were born in a different place. So truth is relative even when dealing with just you. You would be professing some other religion if we just tweaked the dial on where and when you were born. So, your beliefs are not absolute truths. They are subjective realities for YOU.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Frank wrote:"I can't relate to picking and choosing so absolutely in that realm because I believe we can't know the truth." Scott, Frank stated that he believed mankind can't know truth... so what is your take?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Frank wrote:"I can't relate to picking and choosing so absolutely in that realm because I believe we can't know the truth." I believe God is Absolute Truth. I believe that man is not capable of knowing Absolute Truth. We are a "relative" creation. Without gravity, air to breathe, a sun to warm us, liquid water to drink, and food to eat we do not exist at all. Therefore we have to make do with "relative" truth. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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I agree God is Absolute Truth but what about Jesus saying that He is the Truth and that we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free? Are you saying someone can have no relationship with Jesus the Way and the Truth... the Almighty?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I agree God is Absolute Truth but what about Jesus saying that He is the Truth and that we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free? Are you saying someone can have no relationship with Jesus the Way and the Truth... the Almighty? Jesus is not the ALmighty, God is. We can have all the relationship we wish with Jesus, or Moses, or Muhammed, or Baha`u'llah. That was the purpose for God sending those special creatures amongst us--that we can find God who is otherwise unattainable and unknowable. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Jesus...above every other name
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:I agree God is Absolute Truth but what about Jesus saying that He is the Truth and that we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free? Are you saying someone can have no relationship with Jesus the Way and the Truth... the Almighty?  Jesus said of Himself, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord 'who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:I agree God is Absolute Truth but what about Jesus saying that He is the Truth and that we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free? Are you saying someone can have no relationship with Jesus the Way and the Truth... the Almighty? So why does Jesus use the Lord God as the authority for claiming to be the Alpha and the Omega, then? Even though Revelations is a VISION experienced by John, even in the vision Jesus draws an uncrossable line between Himself and God the Creator. Regards, Scott
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Let Jesus speak for Himself.Jesus is the Almighty just as He stated. Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God" and as you see as spoken by the prophet Isaiah that Jesus is the Mighty God and Father!... much more than a Carpenter... AMEN! Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Let Jesus speak for Himself.Jesus is the Almighty just as He stated. Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God" and as you see as spoken by the prophet Isaiah that Jesus is the Mighty God and Father!... much more than a Carpenter... Thomas was reacting to an incredible situation, "My Lord, and My God" is an oath to God, not words directed to Jesus. Isaiah is not referring to Jesus in that verse, Isaiah is directing his comment to an event in his own day when the king had just been given an heir by his new bride. Jesus says directly from His own mouth: "33Pilate therefore entered again into the praetorium and called Jesus, and said to him, Thou art the king of the Jews? 34Jesus answered [him], Dost thou say this of thyself, or have others said it to thee concerning me? 35Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thy nation and the chief priests have delivered thee up to me: what hast thou done? 36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my servants had fought that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence. 37Pilate therefore said to him, Thou art then a king? Jesus answered, Thou sayest [it], that I am a king. I have been born for this, and for this I have come into the world, that I might bear witness to the truth. Every one that is of the truth hears my voice. 38Pilate says to him, What is truth? And having said this he went out again to the Jews, and says to them, I find no fault whatever in him. " Gospel of John, eighteenth chapter, Darby trans. Even reading Isaiah exegetically leads one to believe that it is not a reference to Jesus Christ, but rather Jesus Christ returned in the Temple of Man--in other words Baha`u'llah. Regards, Scott
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Let Jesus speak for Himself.Jesus is the Almighty just as He stated. Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God" and as you see as spoken by the prophet Isaiah that Jesus is the Mighty God and Father!... much more than a Carpenter... Exactly. God, in the very same sense in which Jesus elsewhere refers to as "God in heaven", and from Whom Jesus asks for the cup to be taken A "separate" God from Jesus -- the separation between Jesus and God made -explicitly and clearly- by Jesus Himself
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I'm not surprised...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Let Jesus speak for Himself.Jesus is the Almighty just as He stated. Thomas called Him, "My Lord and my God" and as you see as spoken by the prophet Isaiah that Jesus is the Mighty God and Father!... much more than a Carpenter... Dear friend, This quote is, IMO, clearly about many of the attributes that apply to various Manifestations from God. A close read will show this: 1). "Child is born" applies to those Maifestations like Moses and to Jesus. 2). "Son is Given" applies to Jesus but the Bible names other "Son(s)". 3). "His name will be called" applies to different Manifestations at different times. The name "Everlasting Father" applies to Baha'u'llah. Jesus was never called by the name "Everlasting Father". "Prince of Peace" applies to all God's Manifestations even though Jesus specifically said He did not bring peace but a sword. 4). "increase of His government and peace There will be no end," applies to Moses, Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah. Jesus did not set up a government. 5). "Upon the throne of David" applies to a number of God's Manifestations like Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. All of them can trace their lineage back to David. Free  manLast edited on 04:29 pm by Free.man |
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Like I've said before, the Bahai religion uses the most deceptive bible twisting method I've run across to date...
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Like I've said before, the Bahai religion uses the most deceptive bible twisting method I've run across to date... Dear friend, "deceptive"? Show me, line by line, your interpretation of this Biblical quote you provided and then show where your's is the only correct interpretation. Free  man
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Free.man wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Like I've said before, the Bahai religion uses the most deceptive bible twisting method I've run across to date... There's a problem with reading the Old Testament and thinking that one is reading the Jewish text. Isaiah in Hebrew says one thing and in the Greek translation he appears to be saying something else entirely. Here it is in English taken directly from the Hebrew: " 1 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. 2 Thou hast multiplied the nation, Thou hast increased their joy; they joy before Thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 3 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, Thou hast broken as in the day of Midian. 4 For every boot stamped with fierceness, and every cloak rolled in blood, shall even be for burning, for fuel of fire. 5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; 6 That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of HaShem of hosts doth perform this." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Isaiah9.html Outwardly the text refers to King Ahaz's new son. Inwardly the text has other meanings, but it ain't a reference to Jesus establishing a government--Jesus never did that. Regards, Scott
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