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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays: "I don't believe nor does my faith teach that "hell" is a place, much less a duration of time." Some Answered Questions, Abdu'l Baha pp. 226-229 ". . . . To consider that after the death of the body the spirit perishes is like imagining that a bird in a cage will be destroyed if the cage is broken, though the bird has nothing to fear from the destruction of the cage. Our body is like the cage, and the spirit is like the bird. We see that without the cage this bird flies in the world of sleep; therefore, if the cage becomes broken, the bird will continue and exist. Its feelings will be even more powerful, its perceptions greater, and its happiness increased. In truth, from hell it reaches a paradise of delights because for the thankful birds there is no paradise greater than freedom from the cage. That is why with utmost joy and happiness the martyrs hasten to the plain of sacrifice." Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Popeyesays: "I don't believe nor does my faith teach that "hell" is a place, much less a duration of time." Dear friend, Are you pouting . . . again? Of course, your re-interpretation of the Bible is the only right re-interpretation of the Bible? Free.man
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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No one makes Hell more enjoyable than the Bahais. Bahais. We Make Hell OK™
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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24HourNut wrote: No one makes Hell more enjoyable than the Bahais.  The verse that Scott quoted is applicable to those who have pleased God only. There -are- verses which describe what it's like for those who do not- Those verses simply aren't as 500BC slave-beating, children-selling, toes-in-lava explicit and physical as was the sort of thing that apparently people needed to hear in order to impress them thousands of years ago. I like to think of it as we've grown up enough that we don't need to be told we're going to get beaten senseless out behind the barn any more--- Baha'is (at least, though not limited to only to Baha'is) have enough common sense to be obedient to God without God having to lower Himself down to physical threats of violence involving lava and flames and roasting us forever, in order to get His point across. Last edited on 02:46 am by sirlamre Armed with the power of Thy name nothing can ever hurt me, and with Thy love in my heart all the world's afflictions can in no wise alarm me. |
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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sirlamre wrote:
 Preaching to the Choir again sirlamre?
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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sirlamre wrote: Baha'is (at least, though not limited to only to Baha'is) have enough common sense to be obedient to God without God having to lower Himself down to physical threats of violence involving lava and flames and roasting us forever, in order to get His point across. Oh, don't you think God can come up with more loving and effective ways than text that calls for the killing of women, children, and even your own family? Aren't you putting your head in the sand to the obvious - which is that God did not issue those things, but people did? Killing people who simply believed a different religion? If God created the other organized religions like the Bahai said, why would there be instructions in the Bible on how to kill people from your family to entire towns if they did not worship the same God as you? Please ...
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Ex-Baha'i Christian Robert Arvay posted the following message on the talk.religion.bahai discussion group responding to two other posters, discussing the way Baha'is misinterpret the Bible in an attempt to bring down the station of Jesus to fit with Baha'i theology: Subject: Re: Salvation vs Manifestation From: Robert Arvay Date: Sep 27 2001, 6:46 p.m. URL: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/29ebb11a9238edb6 Hello Adelard and Timothy; "In reading Timothy Casey's response, I wish to commend him for his well researched comments, and to say that I agree with much of what he says. However, he necessarily steers away from the main point, which is to address the nature of salvation (ref Adelard's question of works vs faith) through Christ. Tim's focus on the Golden Rule does not suffice. Salvation from sin is the center and core of Christ's unique role as the one and only begotten Son of God, the Messiah. The Golden rule is a subset, not an overarching principle, of salvation. The key error in Baha'i doctrine (as I see it), is that while quoting the Bible on the one hand, Baha'is reject the Bible as the uncorrupted, inerrant word of God. Therefore, they are resorting for support to something they regard as unreliable support!  Holding the Koran as superior to the Bible, they quote the Bible whenever the quote seems to support their position. But then they turn around and dismiss (or tortuously interpret) the Biblical quotes which undermine their position.They do this of necessity, because in order for Baha'i (or Islamic) theology to work, Jesus must be demoted from His true nature as one person of the Trinity. Adam, on the other hand, through whom sin entered into the world, must strangely be elevated to a position of equality with Jesus. Each of them becomes merely one among many "springtimes," or "manifestations," (but not the thing being manifested), none to be preferred above any other. This inherent contradiction between the Baha'i and Christian essentials of faith cannot be overcome by any attempts at reconciling the two. One of them must be flat wrong. And while Baha'i apologists are impressively skilled at making the attempt, even they must resort to verbal contortions, shifting back and forth between literal and liberal interpretations at the drop of a verse. And while they seem to do well with individual (inconvenient) passages of the Bible, the overall Biblical message stands as an insurmountable fortress against all attempts to make it fit the Baha'i concept of Jesus being only a manifestation of God, and not God incarnate. I am not the only former Baha'i to have noticed these things. Baha'is themselves are well intentioned and beloved by God. But Baha'i doctrine is a dangerous deception. The only shield and shelter is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. You can know that for a fact based not on what I say, but by your own experience through prayer, Bible reading, and fellowship with saved Christians. Jesus proves Himself to me all the time. He is reaching out to you, also. May He be extra close to us in these unsteady times." http://www.bahai-faith.com/#ex-Bahais Last edited on 02:17 pm by JustifiedByFaith Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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Popeyesays Guardian1000© Member
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Baha`i's, and other scholars can go to the archives building in Haia and examine the actual written or transcribed words o the Bab, Baha`u'llah, Abdu'l Baha or Shoghi Effendi and examine the documents themselves. WHen Baha`u'llah used a secretary, He always reviewed the transcriptions. Letter in the Handwriting of the Bab, Addressed to He Whom God WIll Make Maniest:  class=Times-New-Roman-16pxnThe process of revelation--as Bahá'ís term the act of bringing forth the Word of God--is described in several historical documents. One observer recorded the following: "Mirza Aqa Jan (Bahá'u'lláh's personal secretary) had a large ink-pot the size of a small bowl. He also had available about ten to twelve pens and large sheets of paper in stacks. In those days all letters which arrived for Bahá'u'lláh were received by Mirza Aqa Jan. He would bring these into the presence of Bahá'u'lláh and, having obtained permission, would read them. Afterwards [Bahá'u'lláh] would direct him to take up his pen and record the Tablet which was revealed in reply... "Such was the speed with which he used to write the revealed Word that the ink of the first word was scarcely yet dry when the whole page was finished. It seemed as if someone had dipped a lock of hair in the ink and applied it over the whole page."
An example of Bahá'u'lláh's own handwriting.
--------------------------- After 1866 Baha`u'llah rarely wrote in His own hand because of a tremor that resulted from an assassination attempt (a poisoning). That and the scars on His back, neck, and shoulders from the more than 200 pounds of chains with which He was shackled in The SIyah Chal, marked Him to the end of His days. Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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That's interesting Scott.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: That's interesting Scott. Dear friend, What do you find interesting about it, JBF? Free.man
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God's systems are more complicated than our tax code. Just one more reason to know they are "divinely inspired" and "meant for the masses."
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To be a follower of Bahai... I see that truth must be relative. God needs to speak out of both sides of His mouth. If all the major religions are from God then God's truth is relative and changing and inconsistant. Therefore, I choose to worship the God of the bible who is not the Author of confusion and cannot lie.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: To be a follower of Bahai... I see that truth must be relative. God needs to speak out of both sides of His mouth. If all the major religions are from God then God's truth is relative and changing and inconsistant. Therefore, I choose to worship the God of the bible who is not the Author of confusion and cannot lie. Consider this: Man did not pre-exist God, God created Man. Therefore God has no absolute knowledge of His Creator. The whole of Existence was created, and man is just another creature, but man has the capacity to plumb mysteries and seek explanations. The sun does not care WHY it exists; neither does a stone, a rose, or a lion. Man does. If man can only catch glimpses of God by inferring His nature, we have to realize that our inferences can be right once, wrong again, right another time, and wrong again and when we come down to the nit and the grit we cannot be ABSOLUTELY sure of anything about the nature of God. Therefore all we can possess is relative truth when we ponder the nature of God. I am not God and I cannot know His Absolute nature and Essence. Abdu'l Baha: "The mystery of Divinity is sanctified and purified from the comprehension of the beings, for all that comes to the imagination is that which man understands, and the power of the understanding of man does not embrace the Reality of the Divine Essence. All that man is able to understand are the attributes of Divinity, the radiance of which appears and is visible in worlds and souls. When we look at the worlds and the souls, we see wonderful signs of the divine perfections, which are clear and apparent; for the reality of things proves the Universal Reality." Bahai WOrld Ffaith, p. 332. To quote Paul: 1 Corinthians 13 "9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. " Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: To be a follower of Bahai... I see that truth must be relative. God needs to speak out of both sides of His mouth. If all the major religions are from God then God's truth is relative and changing and inconsistant. Therefore, I choose to worship the God of the bible who is not the Author of confusion and cannot lie. I started a new thread: http://www.24hourforums.com/forum60/21620.html Regards, Scott
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Popeyesays wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:To be a follower of Bahai... I see that truth must be relative. God needs to speak out of both sides of His mouth. If all the major religions are from God then God's truth is relative and changing and inconsistent. Therefore, I choose to worship the God of the bible who is not the Author of confusion and cannot lie. You missed my point. Regardless of what God has "revealed" to His creation, the bible says He cannot lie and is not the author of confusion. If you took all the books of all the major faiths and put them together into one book and said, "This is from God" you would discover by reading it that God was a liar, confused and inconsistent. The book would be an absolute joke on the New York Times best seller list!
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