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muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: I take that back - you're right. I am angry. I am angry that the world is still threatened and held back by the archaic nonsense that ties all these organized religions together. Our biggest threat is still tied to this nonsense. I am angry that people care more about which club they think is right and what strangers wrote long ago, then they are actually working together to establish real peace. Not to mention how I think it fueled a lot of bad stuff WHILE delaying and opposing the principles of freedom and the fruit of freedom.
Take a deep breath, Frank. You are going to have to find peace within yourself, before you can work on peace in the world. Take it from me, all that anger will destroy you. I know, I've been down the same road you are travelling, and have had the same thoughts about the Bible and God, and have shook my fist in His face and demanded answers. It wasn't until I was able to calm down, and take a look at God in a different light, that I was able to get on with life.
I call it as I see it. Clubs that have "kill the non-believer" are disqualified as divine. That rules out the Christians and the Bahais. If you want to make excuses for it and tell me to calm down as if I am wrong and have some special process to go through in order to see things more like you do, I'll pass. No disrespect intended by me here, and I do appreciate what you are trying to say, but this fanaticism over who has the better text as the world keeps fighting is becoming absurd. These conversations sit upon a base that is a throwback to archaic times.
I don't buy for one second God ever wanted people killed for their beliefs, never mind kids, and I don't buy for one second that God wants something different than peace and harmony world-wide. This Second Coming massive destruction Armageddon things is out of control and embarassing.
Come on people, stop playing sports club defenders like some archaic fanatics. It's time to understand your religion is just in your head. These nuts in the Middle East sorely need to stop thinking they know what God wants.
Everyone needs to stop pretending they know what God wants and keep their feelings to themselves, so world peace and freedom can stop being hindered by these throwbacks already.
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Posted: 09:33 pm |
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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: So do you support the Bahai plan as stated below Frank?
A unity of all the peoples and religions of the earth is the destined hallmark of this age. Governments and peoples must work to secure world peace, a world auxiliary language, a world government, the abolition of all forms of racial, national, and religious prejudice, the ending of all forms of economic and chattel slavery, the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty, and the equality of the sexes. Religion and true science must harmonize.
I am not sure I would go that far. I would go as far as the principles of freedom would allow, basically. So, for example, I would not be for wealth redistribution to a degree that hampers capitalism and free markets. Too much important good comes from those things.
But, that's all part of it.
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Posted: 10:05 pm |
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muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: So do you support the Bahai plan as stated below Frank?
A unity of all the peoples and religions of the earth is the destined hallmark of this age. Governments and peoples must work to secure world peace, a world auxiliary language, a world government, the abolition of all forms of racial, national, and religious prejudice, the ending of all forms of economic and chattel slavery, the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty, and the equality of the sexes. Religion and true science must harmonize.
I am not sure I would go that far. I would go as far as the principles of freedom would allow, basically. So, for example, I would not be for wealth redistribution to a degree that hampers capitalism and free markets. Too much important good comes from those things.
But, that's all part of it.
Dear friend,
Show me specifically in the authoritative Baha'i Writings where it says that, Please? The above says "...the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty,... ". Show exactly where the Baha'i Writings specifically says the wealth distribution will be to such a degree that it hampers capitalism and free markets? I'm not familiar with that particular statement.
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Free.man wrote: muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: So do you support the Bahai plan as stated below Frank?
A unity of all the peoples and religions of the earth is the destined hallmark of this age. Governments and peoples must work to secure world peace, a world auxiliary language, a world government, the abolition of all forms of racial, national, and religious prejudice, the ending of all forms of economic and chattel slavery, the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty, and the equality of the sexes. Religion and true science must harmonize.
I am not sure I would go that far. I would go as far as the principles of freedom would allow, basically. So, for example, I would not be for wealth redistribution to a degree that hampers capitalism and free markets. Too much important good comes from those things.
But, that's all part of it.
Dear friend,
Show me specifically in the authoritative Baha'i Writings where it says that, Please? The above says "...the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty,... ". Show exactly where the Baha'i Writings specifically says the wealth distribution will be to such a degree that it hampers capitalism and free markets? I'm not familiar with that particular statement.
Free.man
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The inordinate disparity between rich and poor, a source of acute suffering, keeps the world in a state of instability, virtually on the brink of war. Few societies have dealt effectively with this situation. The solution calls for the combined application of spiritual, moral and practical approaches. A fresh look at the problem is required, entailing consultation with experts from a wide spectrum of disciplines, devoid of economic and ideological polemics, and involving the people directly affected in the decisions that must urgently be made. It is an issue that is bound up not only with the necessity for eliminating extremes of wealth and poverty but also with those spiritual verities the understanding of which can produce a new universal attitude. Fostering such an attitude is itself a major part of the solution.
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Posted: 10:21 pm |
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What would be considered too wealthy and what kind of limit are we talking about?
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Posted: 10:27 pm |
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muddawber wrote: Free.man wrote: muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: So do you support the Bahai plan as stated below Frank?
A unity of all the peoples and religions of the earth is the destined hallmark of this age. Governments and peoples must work to secure world peace, a world auxiliary language, a world government, the abolition of all forms of racial, national, and religious prejudice, the ending of all forms of economic and chattel slavery, the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty, and the equality of the sexes. Religion and true science must harmonize.
I am not sure I would go that far. I would go as far as the principles of freedom would allow, basically. So, for example, I would not be for wealth redistribution to a degree that hampers capitalism and free markets. Too much important good comes from those things.
But, that's all part of it.
Dear friend,
Show me specifically in the authoritative Baha'i Writings where it says that, Please? The above says "...the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty,... ". Show exactly where the Baha'i Writings specifically says the wealth distribution will be to such a degree that it hampers capitalism and free markets? I'm not familiar with that particular statement.
Free.man
Just askin?
The inordinate disparity between rich and poor, a source of acute suffering, keeps the world in a state of instability, virtually on the brink of war. Few societies have dealt effectively with this situation. The solution calls for the combined application of spiritual, moral and practical approaches. A fresh look at the problem is required, entailing consultation with experts from a wide spectrum of disciplines, devoid of economic and ideological polemics, and involving the people directly affected in the decisions that must urgently be made. It is an issue that is bound up not only with the necessity for eliminating extremes of wealth and poverty but also with those spiritual verities the understanding of which can produce a new universal attitude. Fostering such an attitude is itself a major part of the solution.
Dear friend,
While I am already familiar with this statement others are not; I'd ask that you clearly state your source(s) please? JBF seems to also avoid such courtesies.
The quote you posted, however, does *not* address my questions to you.
I'd say: Try again!
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Posted: 10:34 pm |
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24HourNut wrote: What would be considered too wealthy and what kind of limit are we talking about?
Dear friend,
Your problem, Frank, is that you are not going to the source(The authoritative Baha'i Writings). Your question is answered therein. If you are going to rely on others here who are unwilling or unable to even give you the source of their quotes then what does that tell you?
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Posted: 10:42 pm |
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Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote: What would be considered too wealthy and what kind of limit are we talking about?
Dear friend,
Your problem, Frank, is that you are not going to the source(The authoritative Baha'i Writings). Your question is answered therein. If you are going to rely on others here who are unwilling or unable to even give you the source of their quotes then what does that tell you?
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I was relying on those who are willing and able. If no one wants to tell me, that's fine. I was just curious. I'm not THAT curious.
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24HourNut wrote: Free.man wrote: 24HourNut wrote: What would be considered too wealthy and what kind of limit are we talking about?
Dear friend,
Your problem, Frank, is that you are not going to the source(The authoritative Baha'i Writings). Your question is answered therein. If you are going to rely on others here who are unwilling or unable to even give you the source of their quotes then what does that tell you?
Free.man
I was relying on those who are willing and able. If no one wants to tell me, that's fine. I was just curious. I'm not THAT curious.
Dear friend,
That's what I thought. If you are really intersted I'll provide a document for you, but, it is more than a snippet. As a matte of fact it is quite long.
What say you?
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We have already shown the contrast of the Bahai faith with the bible using Bahai sources on the Bahai/United Nations thread regarding the promotion of the stated global desires of the Bahai organization. Do you disagree with the statement Free.man and wish to see the official Bahai sources again?
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Posted: 11:11 pm |
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Free.man wrote:
Dear friend,
While I am already familiar with this statement others are not; I'd ask that you clearly state your source(s) please? JBF seems to also avoid such courtesies.
The quote you posted, however, does *not* address my questions to you.
I'd say: Try again!
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The Promise of World Peace
IntroductionOctober 1985
To the Peoples of the World:
THE UNIVERSAL HOUSE OF JUSTICE
I think it pretty well sums it up, and answers your question. How else are you going to do away with extreme wealth and poverty, without eliminating the free enterprise? There are those who bust their humps to make it, and those that sit around and whine because they don't have their share of the pie. The ones that bust their hump , alot of times, become wealthy, those who sit, stay poor.
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Dear friend, That's what I thought. If you are really intersted I'll provide a document for you, but, it is more than a snippet. As a matte of fact it is quite long. What say you?
I didn't want to do a lot of reading, I just wanted the short answer from someone. Never mind. 
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Posted: 11:15 pm |
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Free.man wrote: muddawber wrote: Free.man wrote: muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: So do you support the Bahai plan as stated below Frank?
A unity of all the peoples and religions of the earth is the destined hallmark of this age. Governments and peoples must work to secure world peace, a world auxiliary language, a world government, the abolition of all forms of racial, national, and religious prejudice, the ending of all forms of economic and chattel slavery, the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty, and the equality of the sexes. Religion and true science must harmonize.
I am not sure I would go that far. I would go as far as the principles of freedom would allow, basically. So, for example, I would not be for wealth redistribution to a degree that hampers capitalism and free markets. Too much important good comes from those things.
But, that's all part of it.
Dear friend,
Show me specifically in the authoritative Baha'i Writings where it says that, Please? The above says "...the abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty,... ". Show exactly where the Baha'i Writings specifically says the wealth distribution will be to such a degree that it hampers capitalism and free markets? I'm not familiar with that particular statement.
Free.man
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The inordinate disparity between rich and poor, a source of acute suffering, keeps the world in a state of instability, virtually on the brink of war. Few societies have dealt effectively with this situation. The solution calls for the combined application of spiritual, moral and practical approaches. A fresh look at the problem is required, entailing consultation with experts from a wide spectrum of disciplines, devoid of economic and ideological polemics, and involving the people directly affected in the decisions that must urgently be made. It is an issue that is bound up not only with the necessity for eliminating extremes of wealth and poverty but also with those spiritual verities the understanding of which can produce a new universal attitude. Fostering such an attitude is itself a major part of the solution.
Dear friend,
While I am already familiar with this statement others are not; I'd ask that you clearly state your source(s) please? JBF seems to also avoid such courtesies.
Free.man
As you wish:
http://www.aggelia.com/htdocs/religions.shtml
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24HourNut wrote: Dear friend, That's what I thought. If you are really intersted I'll provide a document for you, but, it is more than a snippet. As a matte of fact it is quite long. What say you?
I didn't want to do a lot of reading, I just wanted the short answer from someone. Never mind.
Sorry, Frank, there are no short answers. Just short people and questions.
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muddawber wrote: 24HourNut wrote: Dear friend, That's what I thought. If you are really intersted I'll provide a document for you, but, it is more than a snippet. As a matte of fact it is quite long. What say you?
I didn't want to do a lot of reading, I just wanted the short answer from someone. Never mind.
Sorry, Frank, there are no short answers. Just short people and questions.
 You just gave me an idea for a new religion! Its main feature is that all the answers are short. I bet I could get more members in 10 years than the Bahais have total so far.
I'd have short, concise scriptures and stuff, too. I would launch it on New Year's Eve so it had a bigger global impact than the Bahai Second Coming.
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