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BruceDLimber Original500© Member  (a Baha'i who loves to sing!)
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24HourNut wrote: Bruce D. Limber wrote:Fine, with the reminder that anything not in our scriptures is at the continuing discreation of the House of Justice, our supreme elected administrative body. It can both create and cancel its own laws. In fact, our scriptures state that they can do this and that they will be guided therein. So in that sense, they do indeed speak for God, yes. YMMV, as ever. Again, our scriptures explicitly give the House the role of addressing anything our scriptures don't cover. (Please note, BTW, that this role is only given to the House as a body, when it's actually meeting. The individual members thereof have no special status whatever; they are ordinary Baha'is like any of the rest of us.) And as Baha'is, we take our scriptures at their word. Works for us. :-) Best, Bruce Last edited on 04-20-2007 07:53 pm by BruceDLimber |
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Bruce D. Limber wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Bruce D. Limber wrote:Fine, with the reminder that anything not in our scriptures is at the continuing discreation of the House of Justice, our supreme elected administrative body. It can both create and cancel its own laws. Please don't tell me you are saying that these men (no women allowed if I remember), who might be closet child molestors for all you know, are deemed to be actually speaking for God.
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Also, if I am right about remembering the House of Justice as your supreme Governing institution that doesn't allow women to serve ... that means that God, in an antiquated and socially inept fashion, prefers to speak through men more than women!?
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BruceDLimber Original500© Member (a Baha'i who loves to sing!)
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Greetings! 24HourNut wrote: Also, if I am right about remembering the House of Justice as your supreme Governing institution that doesn't allow women to serve ... that means that God, in an antiquated and socially inept fashion, prefers to speak through men more than women!? No, or at least only in this case. You overlook the fact (which I'm confident I've mentioned before) that not only do our scriptures award women priority over men as well--all women, not just nine or fewer!--, but membership on any Baha'i administrative body is only a position of service carrying no status or renown whatever. Women have served and do serve on those Baha'i bodies that do confer prestige. So it would seem that God is more even-handed than you describe Him. Peace, Bruce
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Bruce D. Limber wrote:
Hi, But you seem to overlook the fact that the highest Governing body where "God speaks" and new rules are made is where the buck stops in terms of judging sexism and equality - not the lower agencies where God doesn't make new rules. That's where one judges things, naturally - the supreme Governing body. I am not talking about Prestige, or all places, just the one that the outside world and common sense would have one judge things if we wanted to see if woman had real equality. Basically, we have God preferring to speak through men only in the highest Governing body where additional rules via God are made. Talking about how women are treated well in other areas doesn't count. It's like telling Blacks where they are treated well but still denying them seats in the front of the bus. No one is fooled, Bruce!! That's antiquated and not in-line with being progressive, modern, and respectful of women where it would be most important to show it. People with vaginas should have as direct a role to the God speaking, rulemaking, and high governing as people with penises! PERIOD! This is the 21st century, Bruce!
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Seeing through the lies...
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According to the God of the Bible, the prophets/founders/religious teachers of the major world religions must be born again of the Holy Spirit in order to receive divine inspiration. Do all the prophets/founders/religious teachers of the major world religions have the following characteristics/traits of the Holy Spirit within them? 1. He Is Our Teacher 2. He Dwells In Believers 3. He Abides And Lives Within Believers Forever 4. He Is The Spirit Of Truth 5. He Testifies Of Jesus 6. He Convicts The World Of Sin 7. He Convicts The World Of Righteousness 8. He Is Our Comforter 9. He Convicts The World Of Judgment 10. He Shows Us Things To Come 11. He Guides Us Into All Truth 12. He Does Not Speak Of Himself 13. He Glorifies Jesus! See: John 14:14-17; 26; 15:26; 16:7-11, 13-15
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Do all the major world religions testify and glorify Jesus? 
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum Heretic
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24HourNut wrote:
We do believe that they are guided by God to be following His Will. This has NOTHING to do with the individuals--- ONLY when meeting as a group. And equally, Baha'is believe that God guides them when electing the House such that no child molester would ever GET elected. Millions of Catholics believe this about the Pope. Baha'u'llah teaches that NO single individual has any powers in the Faith -- ONLY when gathered together as one of the Institutions (LSA,RBC,NSA,UHJ) is there any power involved. So 9 people HAVE to agree upon the course of action to be taken -- NOT just one person with crazy ideas...
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sirlamre wrote: And equally, Baha'is believe that God guides them when electing the House such that no child molester would ever GET elected. Hi... so what would it mean if it was proven that someone elected was in fact a child molester.. as in, they got caught and convicted, it was obvious, they confessed, whatever. You are implying that if someone elected in that role was in fact a child molester that would show that God does not guide them as you described? What other crimes do you feel assured that God's guidance wouldn't get elected? For example, if one can prove that an elected person there committed a felony, would that suffice to throw a monkey wrench into your position?
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And if they purposefully burn melting cheese for creamy sauces, I count that as a felony.
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24HourNut wrote: But you seem to overlook the fact that the highest Governing body where "God speaks" and new rules are made is where the buck stops in terms of judging sexism and equality - not the lower agencies where God doesn't make new rules. That's where one judges things, naturally - the supreme Governing body. I am not talking about Prestige, or all places, just the one that the outside world and common sense would have one judge things if we wanted to see if woman had real equality. Baha'is believe that the decisions made by the Universal House of Justice are, in their entirety, guided and inspired by God's Representative to all humanity. The House is, according to our belief, incapable of making any mistakes when It gives us subsidiary laws. So we are not worried that those laws are dominated by male thinking. They are not. The men who serve on the House are blocked by God from putting, even to the slightest degree, their own thoughts and ideas into Baha'i law. Talking about how women are treated well in other areas doesn't count. The decision that only men could be members of the Universal House of Justice was made by 'Abdu'l-Baha, the first of two chosen interpreters of Baha'u'llah's Revelation, and confirmed by the second interpreter, Shoghi Effendi. We believe it is as authoritative as though it was written by Baha'u'llah Himself. No-one alive today has the authority to change that decision. This is the 21st century!On the Baha'i calendar it's the second century. Besides, either our teachings have been given to us by God or they have not. If Baha'i Scripture is God's Word, what difference does it make what anyone else says?
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berinwitness wrote: The men who serve on the House are blocked by God from putting, even to the slightest degree, their own thoughts and ideas into Baha'i law. Hi, 1. Why are they needed at all then? 2. Why exclude people based upon their sexual organs when their thoughts and ideas will not be used in even the slightest degree? berinwitness wrote: The decision that only men could be members of the Universal House of Justice was made by 'Abdu'l-Baha, the first of two chosen interpreters of Baha'u'llah's Revelation, and confirmed by the second interpreter, Shoghi Effendi. We believe it is as authoritative as though it was written by Baha'u'llah Himself. No-one alive today has the authority to change that decision That doesn't negate my points concerning that.
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24HourNut wrote: so what would it mean if it was proven that someone elected was in fact a child molester.. as in, they got caught and convicted, it was obvious, they confessed, whatever. You are implying that if someone elected in that role was in fact a child molester that would show that God does not guide them as you described? This should be taken as a paraphrase, not a quote, because I don't have the relevent document right now. In the Constitution of the Universal House of Justice there is a provision for the other members to remove someone from membership if their actions are "injurious to the common weal". I think that's the phrase used. If a child molester, or some other kind of criminal, gets elected, steps can be taken to keep that person from using that position to cause harm.
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berinwitness wrote: 24HourNut wrote:so what would it mean if it was proven that someone elected was in fact a child molester.. as in, they got caught and convicted, it was obvious, they confessed, whatever. You are implying that if someone elected in that role was in fact a child molester that would show that God does not guide them as you described? Hi, but I thought that "Baha'is believe that God guides them when electing the House such that no child molester would ever GET elected."
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: According to the God of the Bible, the prophets/founders/religious teachers of the major world religions must be born again of the Holy Spirit in order to receive divine inspiration. Do all the prophets/founders/religious teachers of the major world religions have the following characteristics/traits of the Holy Spirit within them? How many of these apply to Moses? Secondly, what do you think of the idea of judging Baha'u'llah's claims by the standards Baha'u'llah sets? Do you think Jesus should be accepted or rejected by Buddhist standards?
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