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24HourNut wrote: but I thought that "Baha'is believe that God guides them when electing the House such that no child molester would ever GET elected."


We do indeed believe that. But the members of National Spiritual Assemblies, who directly elect the members of the House of Justice, are not infallible and just might be fooled for years by a smooth talker.

ALL Baha'i elections are done by demonstrated merit. There are no nominations or campaigns. Anyone who gets elected has to put his/her best face to the public. In the case of the House, they would have to do it for a very long time.

Safeguards are there just in case.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Bruce D. Limber wrote:

Save that such practices change from Age to Age when God reveals new religions...
 

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Uh, JBF, since you think it is silly that a Baha'i would make a statement like that, exactly what do you think Baha'is believe?
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How many of these apply to Moses?

What does any of this have to do with Moses?  Moses never claimed to be anything other than a flawed human lke the rest of us, a sinner in need of grace.



Secondly, what do you think of the idea of judging Baha'u'llah's claims by the standards Baha'u'llah sets? Do you think Jesus should be accepted or rejected by Buddhist standards?
Would you judge Jim Jones by the standard that Jim Jones sets?  Jesus is accepted based on the claims made in the Old Testament regarding the coming redeemer.  In the New Testament Jesus tells of His Second Coming, Baha'u'llah fails when judged against what Jesus said the Second Coming would be like.  Baha'u'llah does not meet a single criteria set forth by Jesus.
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berinwitness wrote: 24HourNut wrote: but I thought that "Baha'is believe that God guides them when electing the House such that no child molester would ever GET elected."


We do indeed believe that. But the members of National Spiritual Assemblies, who directly elect the members of the House of Justice, are not infallible and just might be fooled for years by a smooth talker.

ALL Baha'i elections are done by demonstrated merit. There are no nominations or campaigns. Anyone who gets elected has to put his/her best face to the public. In the case of the House, they would have to do it for a very long time.

Safeguards are there just in case.


But there is a contradiction there.  On one hand, the infallible God is intervening to assure "that no child molester would ever GET elected."  Yet, you have safeguards as if you don't trust God's guidance or infallibility.  If God guides to prevent molesters from serving, then it shouldn't matter if people are fooled or if someone is a smooth talker.

If God guides so that no child molester would get elected, the safeguards then are really there in case God messes up it seems.




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berinwitness wrote:
Uh, JBF, since you think it is silly that a Baha'i would make a statement like that, exactly what do you think Baha'is believe?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:
Uh, JBF, since you think it is silly that a Baha'i would make a statement like that, exactly what do you think Baha'is believe?
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::chuckle::  You better rub some beads for that, Mr. Spiteful!  :lmao:




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berinwitness wrote:


...what do you think of the idea of judging Baha'u'llah's claims by the standards Baha'u'llah sets?

 

I have to judge Baha'u'llah by biblical standards. Because the Bahai claim Jesus spoke of him.:D The Baha'i claim that He is the Spirit Of truth as described by Jesus in the book of John in chapters 14-16. If Baha'u'llah is a prophet from God and the Spirit Of Truth, he would consistantly show the traits of the Holy Spirit as described by Jesus. Many mysteries of God were not revealed until Jesus was manifest in flesh. Paul spoke of the mystery of Christ in us as not being revealed and hidden in times past but has now been revealed to His saints (see Colossians 1:24-27). Moses brought the law and Jesus brought the gospel of grace and reconciliation. Does Baha'u'llah Glorify and Testify Of Jesus? Is Baha'u'llah telling his followers that Jesus is the Only Way to the Father? Does Bah'a'ullah tell his followers that Jesus was raised from the dead on the 3rd day and seen by over 500 brethren at once? ::scratch::

 




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Aethelred wrote: How many of these apply to Moses?

What does any of this have to do with Moses?  Moses never claimed to be anything other than a flawed human lke the rest of us, a sinner in need of grace.



Secondly, what do you think of the idea of judging Baha'u'llah's claims by the standards Baha'u'llah sets? Do you think Jesus should be accepted or rejected by Buddhist standards?
Would you judge Jim Jones by the standard that Jim Jones sets?  Jesus is accepted based on the claims made in the Old Testament regarding the coming redeemer.  In the New Testament Jesus tells of His Second Coming, Baha'u'llah fails when judged against what Jesus said the Second Coming would be like.  Baha'u'llah does not meet a single criteria set forth by Jesus.



The number one reason why Christians cannot convert me is that they flatly refuse to answer my questions. The Baha'is answered every single one of them.
Baha'u'llah fails when judged against what Jesus said the Second Coming would be like.  Baha'u'llah does not meet a single criteria set forth by Jesus.

According to whom? The Baha'is?
Moses never claimed to be anything other than a flawed human lke the rest of us, a sinner in need of grace.
He never claimed to be God's Representative?
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The number one reason why Christians cannot convert me is that they flatly refuse to answer my questions. The Baha'is answered every single one of them.



Answering questions is one thing berinwitness. Having answers that are according to biblical doctrine/Christ is a whole other story...:littleangel:




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How does Baha'i have unity with all the other major religions? Does this unity exclude Christianity for some reason?




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24HourNut wrote: there is a contradiction there.  On one hand, the infallible God is intervening to assure "that no child molester would ever GET elected."  Yet, you have safeguards as if you don't trust God's guidance or infallibility.  If God guides to prevent molesters from serving, then it shouldn't matter if people are fooled or if someone is a smooth talker.

If God guides so that no child molester would get elected, the safeguards then are really there in case God messes up it seems.


There is a story from the early days of Islam. Someone asked Ali (Muhammad's son-in-law) "Should I tie my camel or trust in God it will not wander away?" The answer was "Trust in God AND tie your camel."

I have faith that God will protect His religion. Yet we have had attempts to seize power. The detailed guidance we have been given has kept our eyes open and we can spot troublemakers. Well, most of us can. If we did not have that guidance the Baha'i Faith would have been totally destroyed by now.
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If God guides so that no child molester would get elected, the safeguards then are really there in case God messes up it seems.


Umm... the safeguard IS that people are guided...

 




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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Bruce D. Limber wrote:

Save that such practices change from Age to Age when God reveals new religions...
 

:please: ::scratch::
Uh, JBF, since you think it is silly that a Baha'i would make a statement like that, exactly what do you think Baha'is believe?

When does God stop revealing new religions? How does a follower of Jesus know truth other than making sure all these religions line up with the bible? If they don't, then we must assume they are not of Divine Origin right? Why would God keep sending us more religions when the scriptures are all we need to be complete?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 


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Berinwitness and sirlamre - thanks. :)




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"Is Baha'u'llah telling his followers that Jesus is the Only Way to the Father?"

Yes He does.

He says that the Divine Spirit that was in Jesus IS that Way --- and that Divine Spirit is also sent in Baha'u'llah.

We've said this before, JBF.

You are SO hung up on the earthly name "Jesus"

 

I honestly think that if you died, and went to the next world, you would fall for the first person telling you that his name was "Jesus".

You would claim, of course, that you would know the difference... but you cannot state how you would do that. Just that you would "know"




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