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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote:


...what do you think of the idea of judging Baha'u'llah's claims by the standards Baha'u'llah sets?

 

I have to judge Baha'u'llah by biblical standards.
 

Okay, let's say that you were Jewish, living in Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. By what standards would you judge Jesus' claims? By His own? Or by the standards set by Jewish religious leaders and Bible scholars?

Secondly, I'm not here to convert you or anyone else to the Baha'i Faith. I want to see if the Christians who keep telling me that my religion is false can answer MY questions. So far you are not succeeding.


Is Baha'u'llah telling his followers that Jesus is the Only Way to the Father?

 

Yes, of course. Because Baha'u'llah IS Jesus.

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JustifiedByFaith wrote: How does Baha'i have unity with all the other major religions?
They are united because they all come from the same Source of Truth. That includes Christianity.
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sirlamre wrote: "Is Baha'u'llah telling his followers that Jesus is the Only Way to the Father?"

Yes He does.

He says that the Divine Spirit that was in Jesus IS that Way --- and that Divine Spirit is also sent in Baha'u'llah.

We've said this before, JBF.

You are SO hung up on the earthly name "Jesus"




Jesus was very specific about Himself sirlamre. He said to abide in His words. Does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to abide in Jesus words or his own words? Jesus said concerning Himself, "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." What does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to feed on?

Why am I so hung up on the name Jesus? :yell:

I hope you believed in your heart that God raised Him (Jesus) from the dead?

I hope you confessed with your mouth Jesus?

That's His name sirlamre. Christians love the name of Jesus!:banana:

 

"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Matthew 1:21


 

...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: When does God stop revealing new religions?

Never. As long as we don't know everything God knows, there is room for more education.
How does a follower of Jesus know truth other than making sure all these religions line up with the bible?
Approach the claims of other religions exactly the same way that Jesus' claims should be approached, with your mind open and your heart humble, prayerfully considering the idea that those claims just might be true.
If they don't, then we must assume they are not of Divine Origin right?
If someone who is Jewish feels that Jesus' claims do not line up with the (Jewish section of) the Bible, are they justified before God in rejecting Jesus as their Lord?

Why would God keep sending us more religions when the scriptures are all we need to be complete?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 


All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


 

Who decided that "all Scripture" means only the Bible?
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: How does Baha'i have unity with all the other major religions?
They are united because they all come from the same Source of Truth. That includes Christianity.
Really? Can you show that all the major religions in the world come from Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life?

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Okay, let's say that you were Jewish, living in Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. By what standards would you judge Jesus' claims? By His own? Or by the standards set by Jewish religious leaders and Bible scholars?
I would see if Jesus met the standard set forth in the Old Testament, which of course He did!

I looked at Baha'u'llah and judged him according to the same standard as I did Jesus.  Baha'u'llah fell far short of meeting the standard of what Jesus said about the Second Coming would be like.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: When does God stop revealing new religions?

Never. As long as we don't know everything God knows, there is room for more education.
How does a follower of Jesus know truth other than making sure all these religions line up with the bible?
Approach the claims of other religions exactly the same way that Jesus' claims should be approached, with your mind open and your heart humble, prayerfully considering the idea that those claims just might be true.
If they don't, then we must assume they are not of Divine Origin right?
If someone who is Jewish feels that Jesus' claims do not line up with the (Jewish section of) the Bible, are they justified before God in rejecting Jesus as their Lord?

Why would God keep sending us more religions when the scriptures are all we need to be complete?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 


All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


 

Who decided that "all Scripture" means only the Bible?

 

4 years of study of the Bahai and it's like your almost a member huh? :)




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Approach the claims of other religions exactly the same way that Jesus' claims should be approached, with your mind open and your heart humble, prayerfully considering the idea that those claims just might be true.
Have you looked at the claims of the Mormons like this?  What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?
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berinwitness wrote:

 

Who decided that "all Scripture" means only the Bible?


Is the book of mormon "All Scripture"? Is all the Buddhist books, "All Scripture"?

Is all the books pertaining to the Hindu faiths "All Scripture"?

Is the twisted bible version "New World Translation" by the JWs "All Scripture"?

I think the Bahai faith is extremely open to deception more than most groups I have encountered in the past 10 years or so...




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to abide in Jesus words or his own words?
If Baha'u'llah's words are, in their entirety, the Infallible and Inerrant Word of God, why should I, you, or anyone, have a problem with abiding in Baha'u'llahs' words?
Jesus said concerning Himself, "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." What does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to feed on?
The same thing. As I posted earlier, Baha'u'llah IS Jesus.

"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Matthew 1:21 

...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

 

Okay. Now quote Baha'i Scripture.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to abide in Jesus words or his own words?
If Baha'u'llah's words are, in their entirety, the Infallible and Inerrant Word of God, why should I, you, or anyone, have a problem with abiding in Baha'u'llahs' words?
Jesus said concerning Himself, "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." What does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to feed on?
The same thing. As I posted earlier, Baha'u'llah IS Jesus.

"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”

Matthew 1:21 

...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

 

Okay. Now quote Baha'i Scripture.


What on earth for? Your the one telling me Baha'u'llah is a divine manifestation. Give me his words that point me to Jesus as the Only Way. Please share his words and teachings that He is also sinner and also in need of Jesus the Savior.

The bible teaches that "All fall short of the glory of God." This includes Baha'u'llah who must be saved. Did he believe Jesus was the savior of the world? Did he confess Jesus as Lord? Did he beleive that God has raised Jesus from the dead?

Boy, I hope so. :littleangel:




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JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: How does Baha'i have unity with all the other major religions?
They are united because they all come from the same Source of Truth. That includes Christianity.
Really? Can you show that all the major religions in the world come from Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life?
I sure can. I recommend "The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah" and "The Kitab-i-Iqan". Contact the Baha'is in your area for copies of those books. Read them cover to cover.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: How does Baha'i have unity with all the other major religions?
They are united because they all come from the same Source of Truth. That includes Christianity.
Really? Can you show that all the major religions in the world come from Jesus who is the way, the truth and the life?
I sure can. I recommend "The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah" and "The Kitab-i-Iqan". Contact the Baha'is in your area for copies of those books. Read them cover to cover.
I can just read the quotes from these leaders and founders and see that they are not in unity with the God of the Bible. I don't need a bunch more books berinwitness, boy i can hardly spend as much time as I should in the bible.::shades:: I just subject it all to the "light of the word'.




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Aethelred wrote: Okay, let's say that you were Jewish, living in Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. By what standards would you judge Jesus' claims? By His own? Or by the standards set by Jewish religious leaders and Bible scholars?
I would see if Jesus met the standard set forth in the Old Testament, which of course He did!

I looked at Baha'u'llah and judged him according to the same standard as I did Jesus.  Baha'u'llah fell far short of meeting the standard of what Jesus said about the Second Coming would be like.



Please tell us, specifically and in detail, how Jesus met the standard set forth in the Old Testament.

Please tell us, specifically and in detail, the process of how you examined Baha'u'llah's claims.

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Well berinwitness.:)

That was fun. I will check back later tonight.

It's a pleasure. I look forward to us touching on some more specific areas in the near future that other Bahai members didn't stay the course. Fair enough? ::thumbs::




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