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berinwitness wrote: Aethelred wrote: Okay, let's say that you were Jewish, living in Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago. By what standards would you judge Jesus' claims? By His own? Or by the standards set by Jewish religious leaders and Bible scholars?
I would see if Jesus met the standard set forth in the Old Testament, which of course He did!

I looked at Baha'u'llah and judged him according to the same standard as I did Jesus.  Baha'u'llah fell far short of meeting the standard of what Jesus said about the Second Coming would be like.



Please tell us, specifically and in detail, how Jesus met the standard set forth in the Old Testament.

Please tell us, specifically and in detail, the process of how you examined Baha'u'llah's claims.


There are over 300 things in the Old Testament that were fullfilled by Jesus in the New Testament, too many to cover each one in detail, but read Psalms 22, that is what pushed me over the top.

I have read many of the Baha'i writings, talked at great length with Baha'is and compared Baha'u'llah's claims with the Bible, the two don't match.

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I have answered your questions, please answer this one of mine:

 

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Approach the claims of other religions exactly the same way that Jesus' claims should be approached, with your mind open and your heart humble, prayerfully considering the idea that those claims just might be true.
Have you looked at the claims of the Mormons like this?  What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?
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Aethelred wrote: Have you looked at the claims of the Mormons like this?


Yes, I did. They didn't really get me interested.

What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?


 

Bring it on.

 

And by the way, for thirty years I have been testing the claims made by Christians who insist I give up Baha'u'llah. I've read books on apologetics, to see what Christians believe and why they believe it, and books on cults, to find out how to determine what is false. I have read a few essays and attended a lecture specifically against the Baha'i Faith.

So far the issue seems pretty clear cut to me.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:
What does Baha'u'llah tell his followers to feed on?
The same thing. As I posted earlier, Baha'u'llah IS Jesus.



 

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Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Matthew 24:4
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is the book of mormon "All Scripture"? Is all the Buddhist books, "All Scripture"?

Is all the books pertaining to the Hindu faiths "All Scripture"?

Is the twisted bible version "New World Translation" by the JWs "All Scripture"?

The Baha'is have made statements about which religions we feel are from God. Ever checked up on that? If you don't know our most basic beliefs, why would I feel that you are qualified to guide me spiritually?
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What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?



 

Bring it on.

 

But didn't Baha'u'llah say that there would not be another for 1000+ years?
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 berinwitness wrote:
As I posted earlier, Baha'u'llah IS Jesus.


 Hmmm, where have I heard this before?:runscared:

 

 

Matthew 24:23-24


Jesus warned, “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

Matthew 24:4
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Your the one telling me Baha'u'llah is a divine manifestation.

No, I'm not. I'm telling you that *I* have a God-given right to follow Baha'u'llah as my Lord unless you or any other Christian on the face of the Earth can prove to my complete satisfaction that God has not given me that right.
Please share his words and teachings that He is also sinner and also in need of Jesus the Savior.
That might be difficult, because Baha'u'llah claims to be spiritually equal to Jesus in every way.


The bible teaches that "All fall short of the glory of God." This includes Baha'u'llah who must be saved.
That is incorrect. "Baha'u'llah" is an Arabic term. In English it means "The Glory of God". Therefore the Bible teaches that all fall short of Baha'u'llah.
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Is the book of mormon "All Scripture"? Is all the Buddhist books, "All Scripture"?

Is all the books pertaining to the Hindu faiths "All Scripture"?

Is the twisted bible version "New World Translation" by the JWs "All Scripture"?

The Baha'is have made statements about which religions we feel are from God.
 

And I disagree with the Bahai on about 90% so far. It doesn't line up with the final authority (The Bible).




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

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That is incorrect. "Baha'u'llah" is an Arabic term. In English it means "The Glory of God". Therefore the Bible teaches that all fall short of Baha'u'llah.
Baha'u'llah gave himself that name, so this proves NOTHING!

If I were to name myself "Glory of God" would you then believe that the Bible teaches all fall short of me?  If I name my dog that would all fall short of my dog?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: I can just read the quotes from these leaders and founders and see that they are not in unity with the God of the Bible. I don't need a bunch more books berinwitness, boy i can hardly spend as much time as I should in the bible.::shades:: I just subject it all to the "light of the word'.
Caiaphas met Jesus face to face, and could plainly see that Jesus was not in unity with the God of the Bible. Where is Caiaphas spending eternity?

You asked for proof. If you really want it, those books are a good start.
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Aethelred wrote:
What about some new leader who pops up next week?  Are you going to consider them with an open mind?



 

Bring it on.

 

But didn't Baha'u'llah say that there would not be another for 1000+ years?

Do you believe Baha'u'llah on this 1000 year thing or will you look with an open mind at new religions as they come up?
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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: Your the one telling me Baha'u'llah is a divine manifestation.

No, I'm not. I'm telling you that *I* have a God-given right to follow Baha'u'llah as my Lord unless you or any other Christian on the face of the Earth can prove to my complete satisfaction that God has not given me that right.




You follow who you wish. But wouldn't you say it's critical that all Christians understand the Bahai claims that:

Baha'ullah is Jesus?

If yes, surely you care enough to investigate the claims about Baha'ullah further?




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berinwitness wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote: I can just read the quotes from these leaders and founders and see that they are not in unity with the God of the Bible. I don't need a bunch more books berinwitness, boy i can hardly spend as much time as I should in the bible.::shades:: I just subject it all to the "light of the word'.
Caiaphas met Jesus face to face, and could plainly see that Jesus was not in unity with the God of the Bible. Where is Caiaphas spending eternity?

You asked for proof. If you really want it, those books are a good start.

How did caiaphas determine Jesus wasn't in unity with the bible?




Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you."

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JustifiedByFaith wrote:  

Well berinwitness.:)

That was fun. I will check back later tonight.

It's midnight here. I should get some sleep.

I look forward to us touching on some more specific areas in the near future that other Bahai members didn't stay the course.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the other Baha'is on this thread have not answered your questions?

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