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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Jeeze Saint, do you ever go a week without something majorly notable happening? You are one big adventure! Great analysis of that situation, and what a shame. Thanks for the fantastic posting once agan.
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Pussycat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Angel of Mischief!
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Saint. I hear you. The sad part of all this protection factor is, that the situation today is no different today than it ever was from perverts and maniacs, just that liabilities have changed. School governors are now responsible for liabilities (UK anyway), and insurance companies are covering their butts tighter than a duck's arse in that respect, that they are insisting on tighter security to minimise their own losses. I could go on for hours, but I think you know what I mean!
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Yep you guys, it's a world gone mad. In the 1800s you could die from a little cut on your hand or falling off a horse, but those people lived life to the fullest! They danced and sang and went everywhere! We are pale shadows compared to our great grandparents. Oh well, we do what we can. oh and I love that idiom "tighter than a duck's arse" ROFL! That's hilarious!!
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Pussycat Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Angel of Mischief!
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Wrongfully or whatever... that is the expression used in conjunction with Scotsmen!
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member  Fair and Unbalanced
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Saint, Powerful post! The tentacles your point go out in all sorts of directions these days, don't they? I've been increasingly bothered by our government's avowed priority to "keep the American people safe," and have seen having the same reactions as you. What I hear between the lines: "Oh, my gosh! 9/11 was scarey! But don't worry. You people run along now, and leave everything to us. We have a professional army now to handle such things. We won't draft any of you, because that's too stressful and disruptive to you. We'll spend billions of dollars, because spending millions probably will cause you to feel we're not doing enough. Where are the billions coming from? Leave that to us. We always find it. But we won't take it from you. We don't want you folks to worry your pretty little heads about it. That's why you hired US, right? NOTHING will change. Nobody will hurt you. You can spend, spend, spend and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy. Don't listen to those grumpy naysayers, foreign and domestic. They just want to grab power, and wrest it from us AND--make you unsafe. You want to get involved in politics? OK. Here's Teri Shivo, Flag Burning amendments, laws against online gambling and Foley chasing pages (what did Hastert know and when did he know it?). Be happy. Be dumb. You will never feel pain, never feel want, never feel insecurity or worry ever, ever again. So long as you let us take care of you."  It makes you profoundly insecure, doesn't it Saint, to structure your whole life about being secure. Last edited on 03:49 am by dpoole |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Saint, High praise indeed, coming from someone as proficient as you Dpoole! Be happy. Be dumb. You will never feel pain, never feel want, never feel insecurity or worry ever, ever again. That is, hands down, the scariest post I ever read. Stop saying that. 
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Clankeye Pioneer100© Member
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<<Be happy. Be dumb. You will never feel pain, never feel want, never feel insecurity or worry ever, ever again. So long as you let us take care of you." >>Let me first say, a very interesting blog, Saint and thanks for writing it. Dpoole's words here reminded me of an interview I read with the late, great George Kennan. I'm going to type some of this out here (no cut and paste) so bear with me. In this iinterview he is talking about trends he is seeing in American Society. Keep in mind this is way before 9/11: "...But alongside the feeling of anxiety I have at the sight of these people, there is a questioning as to the effect they are going to have on, and the contribution they are going to make to, American soceity as a whole. This is not conceived in terms of reproach or criticism. There is really a subtle but profound difference between people here and what Americans used to be, and sill partly are. I am at a loss to define this difference, and am sure that I understand if very imperfectly. Let me try to get at it by overstating it. Here it is easy to see that when man is given (as he can be given only for relatively brief periods and in exceptional circumstances) freedom both from political restraint and from want, the effect is to render him childlike in many respects: fun-loving, quick to laughter and enthusiasm, unanalytical, unintellectual, outwardly expansive, preoccupied with physical beauty and prowess, given to sudden and unthinking seizures of aggressiveness, driven constantly to protect his status in the group by an eager conformisim--yet not unhappy. This is childhood without the promise of maturity--with the promise only of a continual widening and growing impressiveness of the childhood world. And when the day of reckoning and hardship comes, and I think it must, it will be--as everywhere among children--the cruelest and most ruthless natures who will seek to protect their interests by enslaving the others; and the others, being only children, will be easily enslaved. In this way, values will suddenly prove to have been lost that were forged slowly and laboriously in the more rugged experience of Western political development elsewhere." I take the time to write all that out, because I think it speaks very much to Dpoole's fear of where "We the People" may be heading in relation to our government. 9/11 may very well have been "the hardship/reckoning" that Kennan is predicting will come... and our reaction to it is perhaps headed in the direction that he also laid out. THE FEAR--and the use of that fear to dominate, subjugate, and otherwise control that which is childlike. One thing I totally believe: we are entering the test times. We shall see where we are as a people--how much of our spirit has been eroded by our pleasures, our luxuries, our peace... and how much remains to identify hardship, endure difficult times, and to try to propel ourselves forwad into a better future, rather than regress into one stifled by fear, distrust, and dread.
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Double post Last edited on 07:22 pm by Clankeye |
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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Clankeye...that's a great post. Is it possible that the American people might need some severe hardship to get back to our core values and identity as a people? I know that our "Greatest Generation" was the one that had to deal with both the Great Depression and World War II. Personally...I'm already facing a few hardships of my own and I don't know how much more hardship I can stand. 
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dpoole Pioneer100© Member Fair and Unbalanced
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Clankeye...that's a great post.  That captures my sense of this so much better than what I wrote, Clankeye, which was more a rant than insightful. And you certainly address it too, Saint. "Suffering" may define it a bit too closely, but suffering is certainly part of the larger set of life experiences, that may be called "Risks and Challenges." (From what I gather from your writings, you have nearly daily doses of those, so I think you could draw a bye on the suffering as a life's requirement!) There's a percentage of people who react strongly and ruinously to major crises and disasters. Ray could speak to that forever in anecdotes about guys he's known in Iraq, for example, and how they individually handled all of that. But that fact by no means requires that EVERYONE who experiences such things are damaged. It's nice, of course, to shelter people from unnecessary danger and harm, but that's usually been the purview of mothers. It was left largely to fathers to challenge the children to risk, to put it out there, to "see what your made of" and to "handle it" if you screw up. Such experiences are necessary, for groups as well as for people, to let you know what your capable of, and finally to render you willing and able to explore and enjoy being alive. Maternal attitudes seem to be ascendent, though, even in government, where the emphasis is on "protecting" and making sure you "feel safe." We should be vigilant, lest people be "taumatized" and, presumably, screwed up for life. Lawyers, too, foster the attitude. You don't get hit by a car and just ask the guy to pay for your car's damage. You now have to get reimbursed for "pain and suffering," as though a) shit doesn't happen, b) you can't handle it if it does, and c) money'll fix it--all of which are nebulous and infantalizing propositions. A challenge to our blithe comfort zone and fretful fear of disquiet from bin Laden and his ilk may actually be timely and serve us well. In a maniacal extreme, Teddy Roosevelt spoke of a war once in a while as a good thing for a people, to give them character. But it's looking like we're expecting our mothers to look under the beds for us, reassure us and tuck us in. Let the military go do all the guy stuff. The antedote, I think, does occur on a personal level, where we expect ourselves to take responsibility for what we do, and where we expect others to do likewise. There was a practice in the 18th and 19th century that endured into my youth, when people undertook deliberate "character building," by identifying desireable virtues, and carefully and honestly monitoring their lives (often in the form of private daily journals) to measure progress. One rarely hears to such deliberate self-monitoring these days.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member Polymath
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There was a practice in the 18th and 19th century that endured into my youth, when people undertook deliberate "character building," by identifying desireable virtues, and carefully and honestly monitoring their lives (often in the form of private daily journals) to measure progress. One rarely hears to such deliberate self-monitoring these days. I remember that too. The last time I did it, I was in 9th grade in Montana. (A surprisingly advanced school system for such a socially backward state. We actually were up to Algebra II in the 9th grade, a junior level class now.) If you were to try something like that in a modern classroom, you'd be asked: 1. What does this have to do with the benchmarks and standards? 2. How will this help the kid do better on a standardized test? 3. Are you insane? This could get us sued!
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Lawyers, too, foster the attitude. You don't get hit by a car and just ask the guy to pay for your car's damage. You now have to get reimbursed for "pain and suffering," as though a) shit doesn't happen, b) you can't handle it if it does, and c) money'll fix it--all of which are nebulous and infantalizing propositions. I know, the legal system has become a serious source of income for way too many people and like you point out, it seems to fully enable the inflated deflection of responsibility, community, or even common sense.
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