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http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20070502/D8OS0IFG0.html R.I.P., George!
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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I know this is going to upset those who have or love pitbulls, but I really feel that animals with such powerful jaw-locking, bone-crushing ability should be classified as too dangerous, the way other animals are. It's one thing for your typical dog to get out and attack, but it can take multiple adults with bats to get one of these things off and it kills way too easily with one bite. I'm a dog-lover and own a dog, and I understand a lot has to do with how you raise an animal, but these things are just way too powerful.
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24HourNut wrote: I know this is going to upset those who have or love pitbulls, but I really feel that animals with such powerful jaw-locking, bone-crushing ability should be classified as too dangerous, the way other animals are. It's one thing for your typical dog to get out and attack, but it can take multiple adults with bats to get one of these things off and it kills way too easily with one bite. Oh boy, you did it now. Are you aware, Frank, that a rottweiler has a stronger grip than a pit? And it doesn't have "a lot" to do with how they are raised, it has everything to do with how they are raised. I could train a pomeranian to attack on command. Or a chihuahua, or any other breed. This whole "breed specific" debate is absurd, and has everything to do with people being uneducated about SO MUCH to do with dogs. From matching the right dog to the owner, to behavior that most people don't understand, to creating a pack mentality where the owner is Alpha, to any one of hundreds of other things that I could on about for hours. Pits get bad press...if it bleeds, it reads. Where are the stories about all the amazing things this breed, and hundreds of others do? The media has done the same thing to pits that it does to other groups...gives a one-sided view that is always slanted to the negative. Hmmm....I wonder why that sounds so familiar?
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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UsedToRide wrote: 24HourNut wrote:I know this is going to upset those who have or love pitbulls, but I really feel that animals with such powerful jaw-locking, bone-crushing ability should be classified as too dangerous, the way other animals are. It's one thing for your typical dog to get out and attack, but it can take multiple adults with bats to get one of these things off and it kills way too easily with one bite. Oh yeah?  ANY animal with such bone-crushing, jaw-locking ability, rottweiler, pitbull, or not, should not be allowed where children live, period. All dogs can turn and be raised right or poorly, but there is an inherent problem when the animal is so naturally great at locking on and killing with one bite, and multiple grown men are unable to get it off. So, I wasn't talking about bad press, about comparing breeds, about how one can raise a dog ... I am speaking objectively about the amazing ability to do such tremendous damage in one bite with that type of jaw-lock. I really don't give a damn how well you can raise a tiger, or how uneducated people may be about tigers, their alpha, beta, beta carotene, or how well they are matched up to an owner. If the inherent ability is such that it can kill so quickly and grown people with bats can't get it off and it is that good at killing, it really shouldn't be around people or where they can get out - especially kids. So, the "breed specific debate" is not absurd. What's absurd is the minimizing and dismissal of the common sense "jaw-locking, bone-crushing, one-bite-kill, takes-3-men-to-remove" concern.
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24HourNut wrote: Oh yeah? YEAH!!  Look out, your boxing gloves have a couple 9mm rounds in them.I am not trying to minimize the very real danger that dogs can do. What makes me angry is the media and how they attribute this vicious killer dog label on something that people do to them. We breed certain traits and physical chracteristics into dogs based on what we want them to do. So where is all the hype about rottweilers, dobermans, German Shepards? Where are the stories about a collie, mistreated and trained to attack if you come near it's food? How about the fluffy little poodle, that looks like it can be used for a football that will rip shreds off your ankle off if given the opportunity? The breed specific debate IS absurd, because given the time, I can mke any breed of dog do anything I want it to do. Including go for your throat, or rescue kids from a burning building. Last edited on 08:47 pm by UsedToRide Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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The breed specific debate IS absurd, because given the time, I can mke any breed of dog do anything I want it to do Yes, I know any breed can be mistreated and trained to attack, but I personally distinguish between the danger of doing that with collies or typical dogs and the ones with such highly impressive one-bite-kill jaw-locking abilities. Is that really so unreasonable and absurd? Out of curiosity, would you have the same position if we were talking about breeds with poisonous fangs that are impressive in how quick and nasty they kill, or are you just OK with those breeds that are extraordinary in their natural killing abilities because you personally don't feel like counting incredible locking and biting power as much as poison? I don't think the "hey, well you can train any breed to kill" defense would work against the "yeah but the poisonous fang ones kill way too easily" charge. I don't see why "extraordinary locking and one-bite-kill ability" is fundamentally different in that regard and to the dead kids. Extremely dangerous one-bite-kills are extremely dangerous one-bite-kills either way, and I don't see why this shouldn't be recognized and respected as posing a significantly heightened inherent danger, all things being equal.
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TWEEEEEET! (Sweet Pea makes "T" sign with hands) "PITBULLS" jaws do NOT lock, for one thing! Sorry, Frank, common misconception. It is a physical impossibility for any dog. And I haven't heard of any one bite kills all. Ever. My apologies, I really didn't think this would start the debate all over again, I should have known better. I wasn't thinking of the dogs the way you were, I guess I focused on the one. For all I know or care, it could have been a runaway horse about to trample those 5 kids.
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By the way, Frank, I'd like you to take a look at some of these pics (and the joy contained therein) and tell me if you would deny all these people all these loving dogs: http://www.badrap.org/rescue/gallery.cfm
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Sweet Pea wrote: TWEEEEEET! (Sweet Pea makes "T" sign with hands) Hiya ... I realize now I am misusing that term "lockjaw." I forget there is an actual special function called lockjaw. I meant to convey the bone-crushing one-bite-kill feature that was inappropriately describing as jaw lock because their power is such that they lock down and are very difficult to get off. My basic point still stands because they are still extraordinary in their kill ability and difficulty of removal. You never heard of one-bite kills? Or extra-severe ability to do damage with one bite? Where a pitbull locks on and shakes the child or animal to death, or where it bites on and won't let go doing incredible damage with the animal or child losing a piece of their body, dying, or bleeding to death?
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Sweet Pea wrote: By the way, Frank, I'd like you to take a look at some of these pics I wouldn't want to do that, and I am a pro-freedom kind of guy, but I think those people would be just as happy with another less inherently dangerous animal in that pic and I am hesitant to just look the other way at the extra risk they present. I am not comfortable with a ban on them either to be honest, I am saying that in all probability, due to their extraordinary ability to lock on and kill so fast due to their extraordinarily powerful bites, they are best left disallowed near other people's children ...
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24HourNut wrote: they are best left disallowed near other people's children ... Ok, you say you're not after banning the breed, but you are after keeping them away from children. Where is the line drawn? What age is "acceptable"? How does a child become safer based on the number of birthdays it has had? If it's 15, does that mean the child is in danger on the eve of it's 15th birthday and miraculously safe at midnight that day?
I was hoping someone besides me would make note of that. Thanks Sweet.
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UsedToRide wrote: 24HourNut wrote:they are best left disallowed near other people's children ... Oh I don't know. I just think my point has validity. And  on you for the lockjaw remark.
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24HourNut wrote: Oh I don't know. I just think my point has validity. And Well, this is a debate that Sweet Pea and I have been in several times together. Your point may have a nuance of validity, but about this topic, I am very adamant. And for the lockjaw remark, if you're gonna debate this with me, have your facts. 
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Nuance of validity  Yeah right!  Facts ... sorry I didn't describe the noteworthy and extraordinary kill ability of their jaws the right way. All dogs can turn or be raised poorly, but when these dogs express it, it's a different level of deadly. You know it and I know it.  
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NO animal should be left unattended with ANY child, I'll give you that, but the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of (yes, EVEN) pitbulls live out happy lives and die of old age without harming anything or anyone. You just don't hear about those. I can't find it right now but if I do I'll post it, there is a pretty simple way of breaking apart a dog's jaws with a stout stick or pole. Even a pitbulls'. I think it would be better to turn your attention to dogs on chains. Whatever breed, dogs on chains get very territorial. And they bite.
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