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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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I have been a pet owner for 30+ years. I have never given any pet I own (who allows me to live in its house  ) people food. Dogs and cats do not need people food when there is plenty of adequate food available for them in the store. Not only that; dogs who get a varied diet have intestinal issues including loose stool and the inability to poop "on schedule".So....what is in your pets food? Be prepared; it ain't pretty. Commercials today show all these yummy-looking chicken parts and salmon fillets and chunks of beef. It looks like something a person would gladly have for dinner, quite often. With false advertising regulations out there, a company cannot claim to have "real salmon!!" in the food unless there is real salmon in it. The catch is...what part of the salmon is used in the food? 99% of the time, in dog and cat food both, it is the "throw-away" parts that are unacceptable for people to eat, but can be consumed by a dog or a cat. There's pork in your pets food? Probably; but it is the snout, the tail, the hooves, the ears and other parts of the pig that people will not eat. At least not intentionally! There is fish in your cats food? Yup....fins, head and tail most likely. Aside from some weird and bizarre recipes, not many people will eat the head of a fish. Blech. Here's another oddity...colors. Many pet foods out there add really neat-looking shapes and colors to the food; bone shapes, fish shapes, even vegetable shapes. Who is that for? The pet? Hell no!! That is for the owner! The dog or cat doesn't give a damn if there are pretty colors or neato-looking shapes in its dish! Does it smell and taste good? That is the only thing a cat or dog cares about. If you are paying a premium price for fancy-looking or colored food, you are wasting your money on yourself, not your pet. Don't get suckered by the fancy-schmancy commercials. A source of protein in many foods for pets is......shredded work boots. Wood shavings. Crank case oil. Yeah, I'm serious.
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Crank case oil? Are you sure? Never heard of that. I used to have a friend, really nice lady, but she would always want to give Tamsen (we saw her on our walks) all these junk treats. She was so nice, but I had to say no, and I'd bring Tamsen's good treats and just hand them off to this lady to give her. Her own dogs had bad teeth and were overweight. But she "spoiled" them and gave them crap. What are you going to do? I try to keep food as good as I possibly can. The money aspect of it is a little tough sometimes, but we still think it's worth it. The cat, Lola, gets Innova Evo, you should see her sleek black SHINY coat it's amazing. Sierra's been getting Natural Balance Potato and Duck, I think the single source carb single source protein is the best, and no grains. At just under 70 pounds, she has one healthy poop once a day. Lord knows, one would give a kingdom for healthy poops!! 
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Hiya Sweet Pea!!! Yes, I am sure of that. Some of the low-end foods use crank case oil to "thin out" the healthy oil additives they put in. After all; cheap production makes for cheaper shelf prices, which makes for happy (although ignorant) pet food buyers. The attitude of cheaper is better is way out of control. Generally, the higher end foods (Purina, Iams and Science Diet) are better grade. They use the "throw away" parts, too, but the overall quality is better and they don't use the crap fillers that others do. DOGS DO NOT NEED PEOPLE FOOD!!!!!!!
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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911JB Guardian1000© Member 
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Hello UTR , I must ask , Does giving our pets scraps such as the bone from a T-bone steak have any effect on our pets ? Or dose the chewing on the T-bone strengthen and clean their teeth kinda making the positive & negitive effects balance out so to speek ? JB
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Sweet Pea Original500© Member
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Well after quite a bit of googling, I only find that at one point, years ago, a vet made a diet containing crackcase oil and the boots... but it was to prove a point. I seriously doubt (and couldn't find it on any ingredients lists) that today's dog foods contain such a thing. The toxicity question alone I would think would be very problematic. I agree that dogs don't need people food. But dogs don't need crappy people food any more than people do. One good "treat" particularly for overweight dogs can be baby carrots. I have to disagree strongly though that Purina, Iams and Science Diet are higher end foods. They may have been at one time, but there are many far better options available today. The first ingredient in Purina Dog Food is ground yellow corn. Feed that and it comes out the other end. Dogs aren't obligate carnivores like cats, but still, I'd feed something with far less grain and if it did have it, farther down on the list of ingredients. Last edited on 06:00 pm by Sweet Pea |
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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911JB wrote: Hello UTR , Hiya JB! In my opinion, there is never any reason for a dog to have any people food of any sort. Including bones. If you want to give your dog something to chew on to strengthen and clean his teeth, get a nylabone, or some other nearly indestructable toy for him to nosh on. They even have cow femur bones in many pet stores that dogs go nuts for. I am a firm believer in NO people food for dogs, ever. Many stores also have large dried deer leg tendons which do very well at this job. This is where Sweet Pea and I don't quite agree. But that's ok that we don't! Some of raising a healthy pet is based on opinion, and if Sweet Pea wants to feed her dog carrots, I cannot tell her this is wrong. It is her pet, and she is one person I do not worry about doing the wrong thing with her pets. Just because she and I have different views on some aspects, does not mean she doesn't know what she's talking about, too. Twithin' Kitten may have thoughts on some things that I don't agree with, but she knows her stuff, too. As long as what you are doing isn't harmful to your pet, you can get several different answers to the same question from some of us here. A lot of it is about personal judgement. I'd never tell TK or SP that they are wrong. (Unless I could prove that they were, and that is unlikely.) SP, I will try to find a source for the information I got about the other ingredients. Soon as I have it, you'll have it.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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Sweet Pea Original500© Member
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Let me go on record as saying... I love UTR!! I can probably count on the fingers of one hand the times "on the internet" when I've had intelligent, reasonable discussion and/or disagreements with someone and it sure is nice. I hope a lot of people see this and realize how it's done the right way.  By the way, I don't personally feed carrots. Sierra's at a fine weight, and I intend to keep her that way!!
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Hey, Sweet Pea....us animal lovers have to stick together! We can disagree, but our love for the fur kids gets us past that; if we even stop at it in the first place!!  And you know how much I appreciate the letters you still send.....you know what I mean. You and very few others still do. But that is a whole other thread....
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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Twitchin Kitten Pioneer100© Member  Don't Dream It ~ Be It
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That sticky at the top titled Useful Pet Links is just that - useful. http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1 People food is fine for your dog and if you can feed a raw diet all the better. Here is a link to raw diets for your dog and the link above has a ton of reference material where you can find how to make raw food for your pets... dogs and cats. http://www.wandaspetworld.com/dogarticles.html#rawfooddiet I used to feed Blue Seal food for ages until I had to move away from an area that carries it. I wanted to switch my dogs to Blue Diamond but their food contains blueberries and Daisy is allergic to blueberries - very allergic! So I wound up switching to Natures Recipe feeds. The woman who wrote the raw food article is a friend of mine and she suggests this commercially produced raw diet food if you cannot make the food yourself: http://www.bravorawdiet.com/
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911JB wrote: Hello UTR , Do not give your dog leftover Tbone's. They can shatter and cause obstructions in the stomach. If you like to give your dog a treat, go to the butcher and get a big fat leg bone with some meat left on it. The dog will love this and go at it for hours trying to get the marrow out. Just remember to take away any leftover bone when done and wrap it up and refrigerate it so it does not go rancid or get nasty until you give it to the dog to finish up again later. I give my pits these every week and they can do a good job cracking those big leg bones of the cow but they enjoy them and they will do wonders for a healthy diet addition. edit: Not every dog will be able to crack those big leg bones like my dogs can! Probably not many to be sure. Just be sure to ALWAYS supervise your pet when you give out raw bones of ANY sort.. I also want to add that RAW uncooked chicken wings are fine to feed as a meal for many small and toy breeds. That article on the raw diets I posted was written by a friend of mine who specializes in pet nutrition in the UK and she consults many veterinarians there.
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Marie5656 Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Just hanging out
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If I may put in my 2 cents worth of knowledge on buying food for little critters. If you have a chinchilla, or guinea pig, or similar critter, they do not all eat the same foods. Do your research before getting food. Guinea pigs eat pellets and hay, as do chins...but make sure the pellets you buy are specific to the animal you own. Also, guinea pigs also need a diet high in some veggies..the leafy green kind especially. For the fiber. Chins, on the other hand, should not have the fresh veggies. Also, much as your critter will try to convince you otherwise, they do not need alot of the treats you see in the stores. Check with a qualified vet or website to determine how often to give treats... For example, I give Trixie dried banana or apple as treats. She gets one small bit a day. That is it. Occasionally I will give her a mini shredded wheat or cheerio as a very special snack...once or twice a week.
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Twitchin Kitten Pioneer100© Member Don't Dream It ~ Be It
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Marie, small animals are the most delicate when it comes to food and what to feed them! If you have hamsters, you CANNOT give them Rat or Gerbil mix! Guinea Pigs cannot eat Rabbit mix etc. Why? Because although things like hay and treats from the garden or kitchen - and there are PLENTY - which is ok for all small critters, dry mixes are actually formulated with added vitamins and minerals specific to the creature it's made for. This goes for treats as well. Bird food should not be given to small animals but to birds. Never figure that because the creature is small you can swap food. Often this has a deadly effect and more often this death can be slow and painful for the animal. I have a HUGE list of foods and plants for all animals free to download. If anyone here has any charts they know of or have for animals not listed and would like to donate a chart or info to add to an already existing chart, feel free to use the contact page and send them to me! Download charts Here View charts Here
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Marie5656 Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Just hanging out
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Thanks for the extra input on feeding our little critters. I only mentioned chins and guinea pigs as they are the only ones I have first had experience with.
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Twitchin Kitten Pioneer100© Member Don't Dream It ~ Be It
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Yes I know and I just figured that those charts will come in handy for others too!
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911JB Guardian1000© Member
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Hello UTR and Twitchen Kitten , First let me say thank you for the info . I will pass it on to my brother . While I am a dog person myself . My wife is a cat person so... cats it is for my home . Take care and Thanks again , JB . Attachment: (Downloaded times)
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