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Kat Guardian1000© Member  Loon!!
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I think its very easy to speculate on this, but maybe a good thing to bear in mind that shock and grief can make people do things that are out of character. This is difficult to type BUT...... If the parents accidentally overdosed their child, colluded to cover the accident by hiding the body then later disposing of it, allowing a world wide search to ensue and have maintained this facade for months it's sad, shocking and sickening. BUT It's preferable, at some level, than believing a child was abducted, perhaps raped, perhaps tortured, perhaps all for pleasure by adults before being murdered or sold on so the horror could go on again and again. To horrific to comprehend either really isn't it.
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Kat wrote: I think its very easy to speculate on this, but maybe a good thing to bear in mind that shock and grief can make people do things that are out of character. Hi, Kat.  I think you're right, in a sense. It's likely that much less violence was done to her than if a stranger had done it. But I'm having trouble imagining an accident scenario. If it was a tragic accident, you would expect the parents at some point to show a little compassion for all the people looking for the girl and just fess up to what happened. At some point, doesn't one's conscience kick in, simply because of the outpouring of sympathy and gifts, etc (even disregarding the enormous resources diverted to look for the girl who's not really lost)? The other thing I keep thinking about is this: How horrifying and incomprehensible must it have been for the child when her parents -- who were supposed to protect her -- ultimately turned on her? If this thing plays out like I think it will, they both deserve to be put in a room with Susan Smith and eaten alive by ravenous dogs.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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Brian wrote: CARLA wrote:The plot thickens. I wonder if they came back from there dinner that night to check on the kids and little Madeline had an accident and somehow died. Still doesn't make sense they would have had to get rid of the body quickly, they may have done that before ever calling the police.. This whole case has just not set right with me at all. i know it would be totally ironic, but there is a slight possibility that the real kidnapper/killer could have rented that same car earlier. Or it's possible that the dna evidence they have found in the car came from a toy or belonging of the child that they had with them. what doesn't sit right with me...they interrogated mom alone for 11 hours ...if she was guilty, i think she would have confessed in that time, and she didn't. I just hope this isn't a case of the police trying to make them scape goats, since they bungled the investigation in the beginning.
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Kat Guardian1000© Member Loon!!
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Amy wrote: what doesn't sit right with me...they interrogated mom alone for 11 hours ...if she was guilty, i think she would have confessed in that time, and she didn't. I just hope this isn't a case of the police trying to make them scape goats, since they bungled the investigation in the beginning. Amy you think like me!!! and i think the police have been a wee bitty lax if im honest, i personally feel something much more sinister has happened than they have initmated or think or have let on about BUT...... I dont believe it has anything to do with the parents
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CARLA Original500© Member  Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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I'm not sure what to believe any more. How did her blood get in the car?? If they know for sure it is her's you know they did DNA anaylsis on it. DNA doesn't lie. Here is an update on the McCann's  Updated: 48 minutes ago PRAIA DA LUZ, Portugal - The parents of a missing British girl are eager to leave Portugal as soon as possible and return to Britain to clear their names after police named them as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, a family friend said Saturday. Gerry McCann, 4-year-old Madeleine’s father, said he and his wife expected clarification of their legal status within 48 hours, according to the friend, Clarence Mitchell. Their lawyer said late Friday that police had declared the parents suspects in the May 3 disappearance. “They are in broad agreement that they should get out as soon as they can,” Mitchell told The Associated Press by telephone from Britain. Whether Portuguese police will allow them to leave is unclear, though their passports are not believed to have been seized up until now. Mitchell said Kate and Gerry McCann had previously intended to leave southern Portugal, where they have stayed since their daughter vanished from a hotel room during a family vacation, on Sunday night. “They are determined to prove this is a travesty ... and clear their names,” Mitchell said of the police allegations about their possible involvement. International media campaign The police decision to name the parents as suspects brought a dramatic twist in the four-month-old case. Their ordeal has drawn attention around the world, partly because of an international campaign they have run to find their 4-year-old daughter. Mitchell said the McCanns, both doctors from central England, were considering hiring lawyers in Britain where they would also have support from family and friends. The McCann’s Portuguese lawyer, Carlos Pinto Abreu, said police have not brought charges against them and that the investigation was continuing. Until Friday, suspicion had focused on a British man who lived near the hotel from which Madeleine disappeared and who was the only formal suspect. But police said new forensic tests done on evidence gathered months after the girl vanished found traces of blood in the couple’s car, according to Justine McGuinness, a spokeswoman for the family. The new evidence — including the traces of blood missed in earlier forensic tests — was uncovered by sniffer dogs brought from Britain. The only formal suspect until now has been Robert Murat, who lives with his mother near the hotel from which the girl disappeared. He has always maintained his innocence. Police said Murat’s status as a suspect had not changed. The McCanns have strenuously professed their innocence. Interrogation sessions Kate McCann underwent two straight days of interrogation at a police station in southern Portugal on Thursday and Friday. Her husband was questioned separately afterward. The girl’s aunt said that during the questioning of Kate McCann, police suggested Madeleine might have been killed accidentally and offered the mother a plea deal if she confessed. “They tried to get her to confess to having accidentally killed Madeleine by offering her a deal through her lawyer — ’If you say you killed Madeleine by accident and then hid her and disposed of the body, then we can guarantee you a two-year jail sentence or even less,”’ Gerry McCann’s sister, Philomena, told ITV news on Friday.  Str / Reuters Gerry and Kate McCann, parents of missing British girl Madeleine, kiss on Thursday. Both were named suspects after police said they found traces of blood in the couple's car. A police spokesman, Olegario Sousa, confirmed to The Associated Press that police had named a new suspect, but would not say it was Kate McCann. He cited privacy laws in declining to comment further. He could not be reached for comment Saturday on the McCanns apparent desire to leave Portugal. Public appeals The McCanns said they were dining with friends in a hotel restaurant when Madeleine vanished. Their daughter was in their hotel room with her twin 2-year-old siblings, and the parents said they returned frequently to check on them. Since then, the McCanns have toured Europe with photos of Madeleine and the child’s stuffed animals and clothing, even meeting with Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican. Celebrities including J.K. Rowling and David Beckham made public appeals that helped the family raise more than $2 million. The money, controlled by an independent auditor, is meant for charities that aid in missing children cases. Last edited on 06:03 pm by CARLA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up worn out screaming what a ride.. |
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Kat wrote: I think its very easy to speculate on this, but maybe a good thing to bear in mind that shock and grief can make people do things that are out of character. It's easy to speculate, sure. However. If we're going to start spouting some BS reason for the parents to have done this, let's add frustration, anger, hatred and being f**ked by the system. I say that because I have experienced all of those things, yet I haven't felt the need to act out of character or do anything remotely like this. I don't know if the parents are guilty of anything. But if they are, and if this was intentional or not, their actions to this point show me they are guilty of some damn thing. Guilty? Who knows? We may never know. But if they had any sort of role in this, they are not acting like concerned parents. They're acting like criminals, and you can't give me any reason that would make me say, "Oh, it makes sense now."
It is? How is it preferable to think of a 4-year old child dying for any reason? Violence, a mistake, natural causes.....they all chill my blood. As a parent, and as a human being.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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Amy wrote: Brian wrote:CARLA wrote:The plot thickens. I wonder if they came back from there dinner that night to check on the kids and little Madeline had an accident and somehow died. Still doesn't make sense they would have had to get rid of the body quickly, they may have done that before ever calling the police.. This whole case has just not set right with me at all. It's not impossible for someone else to have taken the girl in the same rental car before the parents had it, but you'd never catch me playing those kinds of odds. Occam's Razor would have to kick in. I'm sure a defense lawyer would try to argue that, but in the absence of any evidence to the contrary (and the parents' dubious story), I think they're toast. And I think it's possible we know now how they had time to dispose of the body: They probably concealed the body from the Keystone Cops until they had time to dump it. If they were really innocent, the last thing in the world they'd do is hightail it back to the UK. If they were innocent, they'd cooperate fully, give the police any information they wanted, and clear their names in Portugal so that the police wouldn't have to waste time on them. Of course, that's if they were innocent....
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CARLA Original500© Member Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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They want out of Portugal in a big way. I also keep remembering that these are 2 physicians. They would know things about body storage that you and I wouldn't. If it was an accident would they have hidden it for fear of being blamed since they left all 3 of their childern under age 4 alone while they dined, only checking on them every 30 to 45 minutes. That alone is a crime in my mind which they should be prosecuted for, but no one mentions it. Here it is a crime to leave any children under the age of 18 alone for any amount of time. Will we ever know??
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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CARLA wrote: Will we ever know?? I doubt we'll ever know the whole story. They're obviously smart enough to keep their mouths shut. I don't see that changing unless they threaten them with life in prison. (I don't know if Portugal has the death penalty, but my understanding is that most European countries do not. I know the UK doesn't.) I doubt that anything will get the true story out. These narcissitic bastards are more interested in their precious reputations than anything else.
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CARLA Original500© Member Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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I'm just so bothered by this case because as I see it they may have harmed their daughter, and they still have the other 2 children in their custody. What is wrong with people and justice. These people left all their kids alone for extended amount of time and no one in the legal system their thinks this is wrong. Those 2 kids should be taken from them period. They should be prosecuted for endangering the lives of all their children regardless of what the true story is about Madeline. But nothing has been said or mentioned about this.. 
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member  BAH HUMBUG
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hello all, i just got home and missed the discussions above, but i think i'm caught up. i have some very random thoughts, and admit up front to my intractable cop brain, i can't help it. because of that i have not committed myself to a firm belief in their guilt, i need more. (as for susan smith, i knew she was a lying bitch the FIRST time she spoke in public. i could smell it). in about 75% of cases, young children who are killed, are killed by family members. the DNA that may have been found in the rental car was supposed to be 'fluid', not blood, in the trunk, and cadaver dogs supposedly hit on the car keys. all of that is unconfirmed by police. but someone is starting to leak like a sieve. these parents, if they are guilty, may have rationalized their performances and taking in the world by the fact their other two kids need them. the big question for me is where was /is the body? there is a hue and cry for the parents to be charged with leaving those 3 babies alone while they went out to eat. there was a babysitting service available, and they certainly could afford it. so they are willing to accede to some 'mea culpas' on that score. i'll think of some more, i'm sure. but i know this, if the police want to keep them in the country, they better charge them fast. they still have their passports.
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Kat Guardian1000© Member Loon!!
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UsedToRide wrote: Kat wrote:I think its very easy to speculate on this, but maybe a good thing to bear in mind that shock and grief can make people do things that are out of character. I thnk you may have MISUNDERSTOOD me, Ther reason behind me for saying what i did above, is that Kate McCann has appeared very calm and collect throughout this entire thing. Now personally AS A MOTHER MYSELF, during the interview with the German paper, they asked her if she ahd anything to do with the disappearance of Maddy and she remained calmed. I would have been up and over that table, kicking the seven shates of shit out of the person that had asked that to me.
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Kat Guardian1000© Member Loon!!
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UsedToRide wrote: It is? How is it preferable to think of a 4-year old child dying for any reason? Violence, a mistake, natural causes.....they all chill my blood. As a parent, and as a human being. I think is this case, it is a comfroting thought to myself, and i am entitled to my thoughts, is what my man fights for afterall. Is that as a mother of a young daughter myself, i find it more comforting to believe that maddy is no longer with us, and I hope that she is not being subjected to all the things i stated before.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Kat wrote: I thnk you may have MISUNDERSTOOD me, Ther reason behind me for saying what i did above, is that Kate McCann has appeared very calm and collect throughout this entire thing. Now personally AS A MOTHER MYSELF, during the interview with the German paper, they asked her if she ahd anything to do with the disappearance of Maddy and she remained calmed. I would have been up and over that table, kicking the seven shates of shit out of the person that had asked that to me. And every con I've ever met or read about has "found God". They're good at fooling people, including you, apparently. I don't know what I would do in her shoes, as I've never been accused of harming my child. You may think you would do A, B or C in a situation like this, but till you're actually put into the situation, you don't know what you'd do. Unless you're psychic, in which case this conversation belongs in the paranormal forum.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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CARLA Original500© Member Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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