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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Let me tell you some things about the prison system from my perspective and personal experience. Do you think the penal system rehabilitates? Do you think it works? Do you think it makes people more or less likely to commit another crime? Whatever your answer to those questions....read on and learn about some things that go on inside the walls. The doors to each separate hall - whether the chow hall, the school hall, the day room, - all have automatic sliding doors that are toggled open or closed by the guards in what is called the "bubble"; their own room, separating them from contact with the inmates. When all the inmates are gathered to enter whichever hall they are going into, the guards toggle the switch to crack the doors, only opening them far enough for the inmates to get their hands in and shove them open; making them "work" for access. Just for kicks, on 3 separate occasions, when an inmate has his hands in between the doors, the guard hits the switch to slam them shut again, onto the inmates hands. Nice, eh? Store day. When the inmates who have the means receive the orders from commissary, other inmates (trustees) pass out the bags to their proper owners. If a guard has a particular inmate whom he likes, for whatever reason, he will direct an inmate distributing the orders to take items from one bag and put them into the bag of his current pet. He will later tell the inmate who had his property stolen that a wholly different inmate took his things. They do enjoy goading fights among the inmates for their own entertainment. Bullet has what is known as a "crew", which is a group of men he hangs with. This is necessary, since if you are seen to be a loner, you will get jumped by 9 black men, who outnumber the white inmates 6 to 1. If you don't have a group to watch your back, you will get shanked. Bullet has seen 4 men get their throats cut because they were alone. One of the men in this crew knows how to makes shanks. It has been explained to me, but I don't follow the procedure well. One of the guards favors this inmate, and has him makes shanks to plant in the cells of other inmates. Turns out, this inmate who makes shanks for the guard is a rat, and the two of them had a little "system" of "you wash my back and I'll wash yours". Regardless, the guard used many shanks to plant in other inmates cells in order to throw them in the hole or have them STG'ed. (Special Threat Group) They also make tattoo guns inside. They are contraband, of course, but they do make them. This has been explained to me also, but not having the material that is used in front of me to see the procedure, I don't fully understand this, either. It uses a motor from a cassette player, wire from other things such as the radio, and a Bic pen. The inmates who tattoo other men have two kinds of ink. Clean ink and dirty ink. When a guard, or sometimes another inmate, wants someone hurt, they will go to get a tattoo and the ink slinger will use the dirty ink. This is ink that has been used on people infected with AIDS. The inmate makes an enemy, goes to get some ink done, and walks away with a lethal disease. Maybe the ink slinger needs a favor of his own, or is repaying one, but if someone wants someone else "touched" inside, this is one way it can be done. That is just a taste of what I have learned about our penal system. Would you like to hear some of the really awful stuff?
 Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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They take people who have brain damage, and can't take care of themselves, throw them in the General Population too! The answer to your question UTR as far as I'm concerned is NO! They do not rehabilitate. I believe half, or even more of the people who are put in the prison system, shouldn't be there at all!
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Wow, what corruption. Thanks for sharing this rare glimpse, UTR.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Jesus...above every other name
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No, I think the rate of return statistics show that the prison program/s are a dismal failure and further harden most prisoners into a lifelong criminal lifestyle.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no one deceives you." Matthew 24:4 |
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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I'd like to see HALF the money they use to keep building prisons, used to build rehab places! The problem is, Americans are programed to despise people who are in prison. They need to take a second look sometimes. There are prisoners who are innocent! There are people who screwed up for a multitude of reasons, but should NEVER be put in a prison! Prisons to me, should only be for HARDENED killers.......serial killers! Rapists! Child molesters! Maybe a couple other's I can't think of right now. I truly believe that a lot of prisoners COULD be rehabilitated if given a chance and a place! They don't have a chance where they put them now!
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member 
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i begin by qualifying my remarks. i 'know' Bullet, have 'talked' with him over the years, and know his case. when i make generic comments about inmates, prisoners, cons, i am not referring to Bullet. or anyone else who has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. i also want to differentiate between jails, which are usually run by sworn police officers who abide by model jail standards and are subject to IA investigations, and are thrown out on their ass if they violate imates rights and/or safety. prisons, on the other hand, are run by guards who are not sworn LEOS, or if they are sworn, they do not have police powers. i am certain however, that they have those who oversee them, and they are also subject to the rules and can be thrown out on their respective asses. those who enter the ranks of prison guards are sometimes sadists. or the job turns them into sadists. the field is woefully understaffed. nobody wants to do that job. it sucks. a guard goes to work and has to watch their back every minute of every day. some inmates are extremely dangerous and have nothing to lose. it runs the gamut from the assault with feces to assault with a deadly weapon. any guard that plays the type of games described, needs to be reported and investigated. and fired. even prosecuted. it's just a damn shame that prisons can't get enough quality people to apply or stay on the job. the working conditions are such that no sane person would want to spend 12 hours a day among the lowlife scum that mostly populate prisons. unless it's a supermax, it's simply not safe. jails and prisons are about care, custody and control. no officer should ever abuse an inmate. inmates know their rights, and can document and send grievances to the sheriff, warden, dept. of corrections, right up to the governor.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Here is where LC and I do not see eye-to-eye. Odd that a Biker and a cop can ever see eye-to-eye on things, but there are exceptions. This thread is not meant to shit on any particular group of people, and it is based only on my personal experience with one prison. Well, one prison and the Wayne county jail where Bullet is kept when he has to come down for a hearing in the appeal.
Said Wayne county jail is run by cops. In August, Bullet was down here for a hearing. He spent 3 days in county lockup, and watched a very large cop pull an inmate out of his bullpen and beat him unconscious for not moving quickly enough.
Ironic, this is. One of the guards at the prison Bullet is kept has a guard on staff who is out of prison himself on bond for murdering an inmate at another facility. He doesn't walk the rock, but he is employed there.
Heh. Good luck with that. Bullet has filed grievances for a couple things; each of which has been brushed under the rug, ignored or pencil-whipped through with zero results. The only thing that has worked is steps I have had to take calling and writing to the MDOC in the state capital. Which has its own repercussions. When I had to go to that extreme, the shift supervisor at the prison came down on Bullet like a ton of bricks. Just like being a rat inside will get you killed, the guards at this prison stand up for each other and will and have lied to cover each other's asses. The system is broke, people. The system in Michigan is like a casino. The house wins, no matter what. If something comes along that shows someone in the system is wrong, it is conveniently covered up. You have very little recourse. If you don't have people on the outside, as Bullet does, you're screwed. And sometimes you're just screwed no matter what.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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911JB Guardian1000© Member 
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It sounds as thow , Prisons are Prisons no matter where they are located UTR . And they must have a fetish with the doors and foods thing . I say this because I have seen it from a different angle than most . I am neither a inmate nor prison employee . I was a contractor working on and in the states medium and maximum security facility's . 1st About the doors portion of my comment . Let me tell you my short story . I was working in the attic of a cell block and was standing there in the hall way with my escort . Just waiting for the key man to show up and let me in the attic . Well we stood there for 15 - 20 minutes bs'ing and in our conversation my nosey butt asks how the doors to the cells work . And to my dis belief the guard first explains the open / close process and then proceeds to go to the little locked panel room in the middle of the hall and pop open the cage door . Well I think ya right he is going to be silly enough to show a long haired biker looking guy with a couple friends incarcerated there the way to open the doors . But he does . He pops the door , and does what he has to do [ I will not explain what he does I am sure LC would understand that] and clank , Open comes the cell right on the end . Well there was an inmate in that cell sleeping in his BVD's . There must be some sorta rule that if your door opens the inmate must stand and walk to the front of the cell right away . Because the door no more slid open and this dude is standing there at his bars rubbing his eyes and scratching himself . With this dazed look on his face . The guard just barks at him " DONT WORRY ABOUT IT , JUST LAY THE F BACK DOWN AND SHUT UP " then closes the cell door giggling . I just about could not believe my eyes , the way the dude was treated . It was like a person would talk to there dog when the dog just took a dump on the carpet . Then about the food portion of my comment , I also witnessed the guards pilfering all the left overs that a discharging inmate would leave behind . I mean you go into there shack to grab your pass and they had cans of gator aid / cool aid or what ever it was they sold a commissary . And bags of chips , nutty bars , candy . And stuff like that . It kinda was sickening that they would pick over the scraps that the people that they treated like dogs left behind . Now sometimes the ate the scraps . And sometimes they gave the scraps to there " Pets " , the 2 or 3 guys that showed up there every morning to suck up to the guards and try and get some outside/easy work . It was a strange experience to me to witness this treatment and behavior . But a learning experience . JB
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hi 911JB. nice to meet you. i have to say that yes, doors being locked are a fetish in jails and prisons. how inexplicable.  if you were there as a contractor, then you were trusted with the info for some work-related reason. i had to do 3 years of corrections before i went on the road, my sheriff's policy. i also saved unopened canteen stuff that was left behind and gave it to other inmates. the ones who had no  for canteen. it was a kindness. i also go every year at the holidays, with the jail LT. permission, to deliver my personal DVDs for the inmates to watch, anything uplifting i could find. and the truth is UTR and i know each other pretty well, she knows that i never approve of abusing a prisoner in my custody or in the jail. i wonder, in your extensive experience, did you happen to also see some jitterbug throw urine/feces/semen on an officer or jam a pencil in an officer's ear?
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cynicalninja Original500© Member  Smiling Shinobi
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UsedToRide wrote: Let me tell you some things about the prison system from my perspective and personal experience. Do you think the penal system rehabilitates? Do you think it works? Do you think it makes people more or less likely to commit another crime? Whatever your answer to those questions....read on and learn about some things that go on inside the walls. An interesting glimpse into the American penal system UTR, thank you, I have watched various documentaries about various US prisons and was taken aback by how oppressive, dehumanising, harsh, and downright brutal they seem to be. Many members here would I guess say "thats how itshould be" I suppose. The question you have to ask yourself UTR is, if your husband wasn't currently locked up in one would you actually give a shit about prison welfare ? I'm not being salty or arsey here I'm just wondering if your concern about conditions in US prisons would be as important to you if he wasn't ? If the answer is yes, I agree with you and we have much to discuss, I disagree with prisoners being treated as sub-human scum because in the longer term it can serve no useful purpose whatsoever.
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911JB Guardian1000© Member
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Hello LC , It a pleasure to type with you . I am not saying that having the doors locked is the fetish . That would be just silly . After all it is a prison . I am simply saying the seam to enjoy on some personal level the control that they poses with that lever to the door . It did not seam to be " just a job " to them . But I have ben wrong before , and I hope that was the case then and there . And yes I was a contractor . But like I said the cell door opening process was not needed for me to complete my work . My work was in the attic . Like I said my escort / Guard and I were standing there waiting for the key that opened the gangway between the cells that lead to the attic . In no way was my work in the cell of an inmate . About the canteen stuff . That would have ben fine had they ben giving it to the people that were in need . But this was more of a treat for the selected few . And there own consumption . And no I can say I did not witness such things as you have listed . I did watch a few fights and rapid lock downs . But those fights were inmate on inmate . And the crowd dispersed just as soon as the tower guards came out with weapons in hand . LC I applaud you for the way you conduct yourself when it comes to the care , safety and compassion for the inmates . I do . But just because you conduct yourself like that does not mean that ALL inmates get the same treatment . Now please do not take offense to my claims . That was several years ago and almost forgotten by me . But do know that it is real and does happen no matter if you want to accept the fact or not . May bee if there were more that acted the way you say you do at work . It would be rehabilitation and not just incarceration . So I guess the answer to the original thread question is NO . I do not think that the present system works the way it is conducted . JB I had to edit back in to add a response to the " Extensive Experience " comment of yours LC . My experience while not extensive was a total of 8-9 months over 2 summers . So I would not call it extensive but , I would say it is a little more that the average citizen sees . Last edited on 03:11 am by 911JB |
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