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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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This is just AMAZING... WHAT sort of people could be: a- so overbearing and disciplinary that a wife would not THINK of going downstairs to a part of the house she'd been told not to - no matter what she heard from down there. (and don't tell me there weren't noises and thumps, and what-all coming from down there in TWENTY YEARS!) b. so OBEDIENT to such a man. This is the obedient/overbearing attitude that led both Germany and Austria (and Japan in the 1930s) to create a mindset in which people would be SO controlling and yet also SO obedient to that control that crap like this would lead to nations going to war under leaders that they should never have listened to (aka Hitler and the Japanese military leadership) That same sort of mentality of "I won't question what I'm told not to, and I won't open a door that I'm told not to" led to THIS situation, going on for TWENTY YEARS. The wife "didn't know" about the other woman trapped IN HER OWN BASEMENT!!! And ADOPTED that woman's children WITHOUT QUESTIONS as to where they CAME FROM? GEEZ!!! How _incredibly_ obedient and mind-controlled!!!! AMSTETTEN, Austria (CNN) -- Austrian police believe a 73-year-old man held his daughter captive in his cellar for the past two decades and fathered at least six children with her, according to police and state-run news reports Sunday. An investigator works on his laptop in front of the house where a father allegedly abused his daughter. The woman, identified as 42-year-old Elisabeth F., has been missing since 1984 when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference. The situation came to light earlier this month after her daughter -- a 19-year-old woman, identified as Kristen F. -- was hospitalized after falling unconscious, according to police. She was admitted to a hospital in Amstetten, outside Vienna, by her grandfather with a note from her biological mother requesting help. But police said a DNA test later revealed her grandfather, Josef F., was also her father, according to ORF, Austria's state-run news agency. That sparked a police investigation which revealed that Josef F. may have fathered at least six children with his daughter, forcing her and three of the surviving children to live in the cellar of his house, according to ORF's Peter Schmitzberger. The children are now between the ages of 5 and 19 years old. Police are awaiting DNA tests to verify their relationship to Josef F., who faces arrest for "severe crimes against family members," according to police. So far, he has not given a statement to police. "One can't imagine how it could happen, how nobody could realize anything of what was going on in the cellar of this house," Schmitzberger told CNN. "It's quite unimaginable." Acting on "a confidential tip," Amstetten police apprehended Josef F. and Elisabeth F. on Saturday near the hospital for questioning, according to a police statement. Once police assured the daughter that she would never have contact with her father again, "she was able to tell the whole story," Schmitzberger said. Josef F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar. Josef F. and Rosemarie F. had adopted three of the children that he had with his daughter, according to police. He told his wife that his missing daughter had dropped the unwanted children off at the house because she could not take care of them, police said. The other three children -- Kerstin, 19; Stefan, 18; and Felix, 5 -- remained locked in the basement with their mother, according to police. None had seen the light of day during their entire time in captivity, police said. After she was detained on Saturday, Elisabeth F. gave police a "psychologically and physically disturbed impression," police said in a statement. She told them her story after she was assured her children would be protected from further harm. She said her father began sexually abusing her at age 11. On August 8, 1984 -- weeks before she was reported missing -- her father enticed her into the basement where he drugged her, put her in handcuffs, and locked her in a room, she told police. For the next 24 years, she was constantly raped by her father resulting in the six surviving children, she said, according to the police statement. She told police she gave birth to twins in 1996, but one of the babies died a few days later as a result of neglect, and Josef F. removed the infant's body and burned it. She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation. When Kerstin fell ill earlier this month, Josef F. apparently told his wife and the hospital that his "missing" daughter had dropped off the sick girl on his doorstep. In an effort to find out what might be ailing 19-year-old Kerstin, the hospital asked the media to put out a bulletin requesting any information about the girl or her missing mother, attorney general Gerhard Sedlacek told NTV. Sometime later, Josef F. brought Elisabeth F. out of the cellar, telling his wife that she had returned home with her two children after a 24-year absence, police said. He took Elisabeth F. to the hospital to talk with doctors about Kerstin's condition, and at that point, authorities became aware of her situation, Sedlacek said. Last edited on 10:02 pm by sirlamre |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member 
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i was appalled and stunned to read this story earlier today. it's so sick that there are no adequate words for it!
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Where do you people come up with these stories?  This is even worse than the one about the "ding bat" that let his girlfriend sit on the toilet for ........how many years? This is beyond sick! That woman who wouldn't either check it out, or leave the house and call the police, needs to die right along with the man doing all this................How can a man do something like that.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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That same sort of mentality of "I won't question what I'm told not to, and I won't open a door that I'm told not to" led to THIS situation, going on for TWENTY YEARS. Ok....now, I don't question my husband about certain things. I chose this lifestyle we live and I understand those aspects of it. But this.....this is not obedience, or knowing what fights to pick, or anything else even closely resembling sanity or rationale. This is enabling, and willful ignorance. She knew something wasn't right and she is as much to blame for this crap as he is. An ass-whooping is too good for either of them. I don't know what they deserve. This is beyond what I can wrap my brain around.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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more....  Austrian detectives study cellar Police in Austria see the cellar rooms where a woman was allegedly held and abused for 24 years by her father. Timeline: Cellar case Country profile: Austria  Watch: A look at the house
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CARLA Original500© Member  Aloha San Diego is Paradise.!!
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Great links LC the time line is disgusting I don't know what else to say.  I just can't believe these stories sometimes they are just awful.
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 A nun joins a vigil in Amstetten commemorating the victims of the incest crime. updated 4 minutes ago Terrorized Austrian family reconnects after decades In an "astonishing" scene, members of an Austrian family terrorized by decades of incest and imprisonment met for the first time at a clinic where psychiatrists are helping them recover, authorities said. full story
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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Unfortunately, I don't think Austria has the death penalty. So I don't think adequate justice can be done here.
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Kimber767 Original500© Member  Ask me about Self Advocacy
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I think it it very strange that all this went on and the man's wife did not know anything about what was happening. How can she not have known?
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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UsedToRide wrote: That same sort of mentality of "I won't question what I'm told not to, and I won't open a door that I'm told not to" led to THIS situation, going on for TWENTY YEARS. Yep, the wife knew. There's no way she could have been that ignorant.
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helefra Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Let There Be Light
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When I first heard about this incident I thought "OMG". I think this will be a piece of news that will go down in history and will always be remembered as one of the worst crimes I have ever known to date. (Unless anyone out there knows of anything worse than this!) My heart goes out to the woman who will never have a normal life again, all her dreams and wishes to go forward in life have been shattered, she may never know true love and worse still, at 40, she has not and never will live the full life of a young woman. The children who were trapped with her will also have a difficult time trying to grow up in a strange land. 
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ccrdragon Guardian1000© Member  Copper Nut
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I don't believe that the death penalty would be accurate punishment for this crime... the only accurate penalty would be to do the same thing to the man AND his wife - lock them both in a cellar and rape them repeatedly for the next umpteen years (to bad we don't have time travel so that we could make both of them young again and then force them to go thru the same thing)!!!
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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ccrdragon wrote: I don't believe that the death penalty would be accurate punishment for this crime... It's definitely hard to disagree with that. The death penalty would be too merciful. I only suggested it because it's the harshest thing available to us. In cases like this, that's a shame.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Brian wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think Austria has the death penalty. So I don't think adequate justice can be done here. As usual, Brian and I are on the same page. Even the death penalty would be too swift and merciful for this animal. How can you recompense the poor daughter for 24 years in a incestuous hell-hole? I almost wish I could be a prisoner in the prison he is going , so that I could beat the living hell out of him every day and make his life miserable in every way I could think of.
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Kimber767 Original500© Member Ask me about Self Advocacy
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Me too, Polymath.
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