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oddsocks Original500© Member 
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Hi everybody, this will be my first post on this Forum. Although there are some innocent people executed, for the most part it is the guilty that is in fact executed. In my opinion, once a jury concludes that death should be the criminal’s sentence, it should be carried out within 1 to 3 years. Most appeals are automatic. A state that has the death penalty could set up a special appeals section for death penalty cases only and could move them through quite quickly. The individual that is sentenced to death should receive no sympathy or lax treatment rather it should be quite harsh. They deserve to suffer, after all, was he/she sympathetic towards his/her victim. In order to get the death penalty the crime usually has to shock the conscious of the community. I am of the belief that the execution should be carried out swiftly, (not out of concern for the criminal, but for society to be rid of the vermin). A single bullet to the head should be sufficient. Just shoot the bastard in the head, end of story. All the bleeding hearts should just shut the hell up about how cruel it is. To all you bleeding hearts, if your 80 year old grandmother was raped and sodomized and then beaten to death, would you want that person to live in a nice warm cell with free cable, free food, and better medical care then hard working individuals get or would you rather they have their worthless head blown off? If you can honestly say, you feel they should be in prison, please take a moment and just try to imagine what it would be like to be 80 and have a man beat you, rape, you etc. Try to see this image real hard (you too guys, you can be raped too), picture it until it really upsets you, then ask yourself the question again. If god wants the death penalty ended god will intervene.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Most appeals are automatic. What, exactly, makes you say that?
 Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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oddsocks Original500© Member
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UsedToRide wrote: Most appeals are automatic. I have worked on a few death penalty cases, and the initial part of the appeal process is started immediately after being found guilty. If indigent all the defendant has to do is request an appeal and it is automaticly put into process. The initial paperwork has been reduced to a single page.
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Cars Original500© Member  Love Living Large
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Others have already mentioned, the brutality these killers used on their victims S/B recprocated! What goes around, comes around! Actually doesn't the bible say, "An eye for an eye"! If you kill me, then mine should kill you! Seems fair. Death Row should never have a guest for longer then "10" days! It sure would eliminate the so called, self made crowding & "shortage" of cell space!!!
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member 
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another stay tonight--- U.S. Supreme Court stays execution amid lethal injection concerns WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday stayed the pending execution of a Virginia man convicted of beating a co-worker to death in 2001 for drug money.  Convicted killer Christopher Scott Emmett was scheduled to be put to death Wednesday night.  It's the latest in a number of executions the court has blocked recently amid questions about the constitutionality of lethal injection -- the primary method of execution in all states with the death penalty. Christopher Scott Emmett killed co-worker John Langley during a botched robbery in Danville, Virginia, by beating him to death as he slept, then used his cash to buy crack cocaine, according to documents filed in the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. He was set to die at 9 p.m. Wednesday. The Supreme Court order stays Emmett's execution pending final disposition of the appeal by the 4th Circuit. But if the 4th Circuit allows the execution to proceed, another round of appeals to the high court would be expected. The Supreme Court had rejected an earlier stay of execution in June, before agreeing to hear Kentucky cases on the constitutionality of lethal injection. Oral arguments in those cases will be held early next year. The high court's agreeing to hear the cases, however, has prompted a flood of appeals from capital defendants seeking execution stays or new hearings as a result of the court's intervention. The justices, meanwhile, have stayed a number of pending executions, presumably until the larger constitutional questions surrounding the method of execution are settled.
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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I have worked on a few death penalty cases, and the initial part of the appeal process is started immediately after being found guilty. If indigent all the defendant has to do is request an appeal and it is automaticly put into process. The initial paperwork has been reduced to a single page. "Worked" how, if I may ask? And what state (or planet) starts an appeal process immediately after a conviction? And an inmate who is indigent is going to spend months in prison before any damn thing is done, one page or 300 pages. It sounds real convenient to have the thing reduced to a single page, but if there is one thing I know, "convenient" is not always the best route to go. The injustice system AND the appeals process is one giant clusterf**k.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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bjork73 Pioneer100© Member  Official Forum (T)reasoner
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I'm sorry, but I don't get how people support the death penalty, especially with the possibility of those who are actually innocent being executed, the costs of average death penalty cases far exceeding what it would take to imprison a person for life (excuse me, but to me it is far more "cruel and unusual" upon our society to pay more just to satisfy some "blood justice" lust than to just lock 'em up and put the money where it's actually needed). Doesn't it strike ANYBODY as odd that out of all truly first-world nations, we're one of TWO (along with Japan, I don't know WTF is up with them, oh well  ) that still have the death penalty as an option? Every major European country has abolished it. Abolishing the death penalty would be one notable step in advancing our society, not that it matters to the daily shout show pseudopundits or the majority of people of Texas or anything 
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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bjork73 wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't get how people support the death penalty, especially with the possibility of those who are actually innocent being executed, the costs of average death penalty cases far exceeding what it would take to imprison a person for life (excuse me, but to me it is far more "cruel and unusual" upon our society to pay more just to satisfy some "blood justice" lust than to just lock 'em up and put the money where it's actually needed). Doesn't it strike ANYBODY as odd that out of all truly first-world nations, we're one of TWO (along with Japan, I don't know WTF is up with them, oh well The possibility of someone innocent getting executed has been greatly diminished, and could be eliminated, if the death penalty was restricted to cases where DNA was present. (This would cover a lot of murder and rape cases because, as you could imagine, it's hard to murder or rape someone and not have any DNA transfer. The authorities these days can pull DNA from the darnedest places.) Philosophically, there are some cases where only the death penalty will bring justice. Life in prison is not an appropriate penalty for someone who rapes and dismembers a 6-year-old. There are levels of evil that demand the ultimate penalty. One can argue about who deserves and who doesn't deserve the death penalty, but to say no one does is just not credible. The only reason the death penalty costs so much is because of the legal process going on and on for years. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know this is feasible, but I personally favor a system of 3 trials: One trial at the local level One appeal to state court in case the first jury made a mistake One appeal to the Supreme Court If there's reasonable doubt about guilt (which is the only thing that should matter), it shouldn't take 10 trials to have it surface. And I'm still not understanding what the hold-up is. If the defendant has been found guilty, and lethal injection isn't an option because of a legal snag, just have the baliff take out his gun and double-tap the guy in the forehead. Nothing cruel or unusual about that. What's the problem? Last edited on 02:29 pm by Brian "It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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shirohniichan Original500© Member  Obscurius per obscurum
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Brian wrote: UsedToRide wrote:Do ya think it's just because we know that this guy beat an old woman to death that I see evil in his eyes? I wonder what he'd look like to me if I didn't know he was a psycho killer. Yea, verily. I imagine the guillotine is both quick and nigh painless.
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oddsocks Original500© Member
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UsedToRide I work in a law office in Alabama and we do state appointed and retained criminal defense. This includes death penalty cases. I see every piece of paper that has to do with the case (that the attorney gets). If a defendant is found guilty and sentenced to death all they have to do is file a Notice of Appeal and the appeal process begins. The attorney that is already working for the defendant will immediately ask if he wants to appeal and upon the response of yes, the notice is filed. It takes about 2 minutes to fill out, maybe less. It is not just Alabama that has taken the route of a 2-minute form to start the process, it happens in most states. Nobody is saying that the appeal process will be complete in any short period of time, however the defendant will remain in prison throughout the process (we are after all talking death penalty here). By the time the process is done, you can be assured that it will be hundreds if not thousands of pages, depending on how good the appeal attorney is and how bad the 1st attorney was. Defendants on death row receive other help other then the state appointed attorney, there are advocate groups that will help do the appeal (for free). There are many man-hours put into an appeal (at least if it is done properly). In my opinion, the appeal process should be automatic. It makes it that much sooner that they can be put to death. Under our current system the process must be complete or the defendant has not been given his due rights. Think about it, if the courts could make the process even simpler and faster, the criminals could be put to death quicker and his cell emptied for the next idiot that ends up there. oddsocks
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Think about it, if the courts could make the process even simpler and faster, the criminals could be put to death quicker and his cell emptied for the next idiot that ends up there. Wow. The next "idiot", huh? So anyone who ends up in prison is an idiot? I can tell from your answer that you do work for the injustice system. Doing what is still unclear, but irrelevant. For all I know, you could be the copyboy (girl?). I've been dealing with the various "idiots" that make up that system for the past year and a half. As the original question of this thread asks; what about the innocent? See the man in my profile picture? That man, my husband, is innocent of a crime, and he sits in prison for over 16 months now while your appeal process f**ks up one thing after another, and the injustice system plays "cover our ass". Last edited on 05:37 am by UsedToRide Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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oddsocks Original500© Member
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UsedToRide I was under the impression that we were discussing death penalty, not what ever your partner’s crime was. Unless of course he is in for murder. Is he? Maybe he is innocent, maybe not. Just because you say he is does not make it so. All the clients that come into our office (or can’t because they are in jail) claim to be innocent. Most are in fact guilty. What makes his case so special? I never said people in prison are idiots; I was specifically discussing death row inmates, so pay attention, before you jump to conclusions. You are showing your own stupidity. Idiots kill people. Did your partner kill someone or is it just a standard crime, i.e. drugs, domestic abuse, child abuse, etc. At no point in time did I directly insult you, nor was their an intention to make it personal, however you are making it personal, so you must be the real idiot, maybe your partner did commit the crime and you are too blind to see it. As far as you know I am the copyboy (girl), well as far as I know you belong in prison. Maybe your partner is in prison for a crime you committed. Get nasty with someone else bitch. I can assure you that if you came into my office, you would find out just how valuable my job is. Your comment also shows that you don’t actually read what one types. We are talking death penalty, not your partner’s crime. I’m sure you would have stated it if he was on death row and claims to be innocent. Other proof that you do not bother to read, my profile states that I am a Legal Secretary. Learn how to read and pay attention to what is stated. From your other posts it seems that you do agree with the death penalty. So, maybe it is you that thinks people in prison are idiots. Maybe your partner is an idiot, after all he is your partner and idiots usually stick together.
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newbiecollector Pioneer100© Member  You can't fake real
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Get nasty with someone else bitch. Any particular reason your are being rude?........or Maybe you a bitch................ya seem so with that comment anyway
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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If you think I was "getting nasty" with you, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Anyone can play badass on the web and I am not impressed with your high-and-mighty attitude. In fact, as most of your kind in the injustice system, you bore me. I did read your little profile in the hopes of learning if you are male of female, and legal secretary does not tell me the answer. Men aren't secretaries? That is a rhetorical question, by the way; I know the answer. My husbands actions that put him in prison were legal. The specifics of the "crime" do not matter. The story is here in this forum, since you seem to be so interested in reading my past postings. Do a little research, Miss Secretary, if you care.
This also is typical of your ilk. Everyone belongs in prison. What; so people like you can have a job and weild their "power"? Go back to your little secretary job and don't tangle with the big dogs if you're worried about getting bit. Had there been any doubt in my mind what people in your line of work are like, you have removed it. Power-hungry, control freaks who think their occupation is the end-all be-all for us "common folk". You, oddball, are a joke.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet A hundred criminals may be set free, but one innocent man should not go to prison, for that will make the entire system criminal ~Chief Justice T.L.Venkatraman |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member
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i recognize this topic can often be an emotional one. however, i'm not going to tolerate personal attacks and name-calling in my forum. 'idiot' and 'bitch' are not acceptable modes of addressing other members here.
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