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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member  BAH HUMBUG
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i've loved zoos and aquariums all my life, but have very mixed feelings as an adult. some are so beautiful, educational and provide as natural habitat as is possible. then again, things like this give me pause. for the sake of the humans and the sake of the animals.  One of the injured is carried away on a stretcher. updated 13 minutes ago Escaped tiger kills zoo visitor An escaped tiger attacked and killed a zoo patron Tuesday in a cafe at the San Francisco Zoo, a spokeswoman for the San Francisco Fire Department told CNN. Two others were transported to the hospital with life-threatening injuries, she added. full story
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UsedToRide Original500© Member  ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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Zoos have accomplished a lot in the preservation of a few species. In my zoo in Detroit, all the lions were found in some crack dealers basement and similar situations. It's not like someone went out and captured a wild lion and threw it in a cage for people to gawk at. But I only know about my zoo. How other zoos get their "stock" is anyone's guess. It doesn't surprise me that this happened. It's like the circus elephants who go ballistic. They take as much as they can take and one day, something pushes them over the edge. No matter how they are obtained, a wild animal is always a wild animal. For whatever reasons these tigers were being moved, someone more experienced and with better cages and security should have been handling it. It is another case of the fault lying with the people; not the animal. The tiger did what tigers do; he hunted what he thought was prey. I'd bet my last dollar the person that died ran from the tiger, which triggers the prey drive in all big cats.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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evidently this particular tiger attacked and mauled someone's arm last december, and the configuration of her habitat was changed, but she managed to get out, probably by jumping. if the people ran, i guess i can't blame them, i probably would have also. reports today say that the 3 young men were taunting the tiger, and that she went over a 14 ft. moat and 20 ft fence! before i went on sheriff dept. i was a show diver for a well-known marine park. i really disliked keeping the dolphins in captivity and making them do 'tricks'. i, like many, attributed very human characteristics and feelings to them because of their intelligence. i don't mind the dolphin sanctuaries where they can be themselves and people can still have the fun of seeing them. i see them in the wild all the time down here too. so- i also had to dive the huge tank where the sharks are. one day a very large bull shark was circling me closely like i was a tasty fish. i got out of the tank right away, and the managers destroyed the shark. actually, i didn't blame the shark! he was doing his shark thing! Attachment: (Downloaded times) Last edited on 05:10 pm by Lady Cop |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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 updated 30 minutes ago Siberian tiger killed boy, 17, right outside pen Carlos Sousa, 17, was just outside of the Siberian tiger's enclosure in the San Francisco Zoo on Christmas when a 300-pound tiger escaped and killed him. Authorities released the dead teen's name on Wednesday afternoon. developing story
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member  Witty clever title pending
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Several experts have gone on record as saying that it is unlikely to the point of ridiculous that this tiger escaped her habitat by jumping out of it. That's kind of the idea...the habitats are designed so they *can't* escape. Captive tigers are not as fit as wild tigers; it is almost impossible that this one jumped out of her cage. As for the so-called "mauling" last December...the incident happened when a poorly trained zoo worker was feeding the tiger through the bars of the cage. Not exactly SOP. Her arm got messed up, and the zoo director said, "no, we're not going to shoot the tiger...the tiger was acting like tigers act." No point in shooting the poor thing for being what it is. The zoo was fined, the habitat changed, and the training for the zoo workers was updated. The prevailing theory now, pending investigation, is that some brainchild was tampering with the habitat enclosure, and possibly a board was placed across the wide moat that separates the tiger from the people looking at it. Human intervention caused this, and witnesses say that someone - it's not clear yet whether this was the person that was attacked - was tormenting the tiger. Teasing a wild cat that outweighs you by a hundred pounds or so is not exactly the smartest thing one can do, no? Last edited on 01:11 am by Erinna1112 |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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that enclosure has been declared a crime scene...if someone (other than the deceased) tampered with the gate or otherwise facilitated the tiger's escape, that may well be a manslaughter charge. that kid did the last boneheaded thing he'll ever do if he in fact tormented the tiger.
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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if this is true, the foolishness boggles the mind. Victims may have dangled leg over tiger's moat, says report
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UsedToRide Original500© Member ^^^That is LOVE!!^^^
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The killed teen's father, Carlos Sousa, told CNN on Thursday that the zoo should do more to protect visitors. Uh, like what? Post signs at each enclosure of all predators that if you f**k with the animal and come into its territory you may get eaten? If it is true, that a person dangled a leg into the tigers enclosure, WTF did they think was going to happen? That the cat would bat at it like a kitten playing with a string? I sound like a damn broken record, but my GOD, people are SO stupid!! If it was not the teen that was killed who did this, I hope the person who did do it gets eaten alive by their own conscience. The way this story seems to be playing out is that it was human error and stupidity that caused this attack.
Respect some, trust one, fear none ~~Bullet http://www.freeholbrook.com The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. ~~Dostoyevsky |
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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i just heard a report that the fence was only 12.5 feet high...below standards/recommendations. there's clearly a combination of factors here, but i am certain the parents of that deceased young man are going to sue. it also remains to be seen what the surviving brothers have to say.
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Amy Original500© Member  ...going with the flow...
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this morning on the news they said the boys are refusing to cooperate, and remaining silent, and even belligerent at times. Doesn't sound like something an innocent party would do to me. 
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Lady Cop Pioneer100© Member BAH HUMBUG
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Amy wrote: this morning on the news they said the boys are refusing to cooperate, and remaining silent, and even belligerent at times. Doesn't sound like something an innocent party would do to me. on advice of attorneys no doubt....the lawsuits are coming, the lawsuits are coming! when they're deposed they will probably have a very convenient attack of amnesia. but i don't blame them. Jack Hanna, wildlife expert, and the director of Miami metrozoo agree that the tiger should have NOT been able to get out even if a row of steaks was lined up outside the enclosure. and it now appears the zoo did not meet standards for accreditation. so even if there is contributory negligence by the young men, i'll bet the zoo settles this one on the courthouse steps.
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Amy Original500© Member ...going with the flow...
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and it now appears the zoo did not meet standards for accreditation. Yes, I heard that, but would that be the fault of the zoo? or the inspectors who gave it a passing grade?
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i'm guessing the zoo will be the responsible party. but it's all a bit confusing right now. this article is pretty good. UPDATE: Zoo Director Says Tiger Wall Was Low... Last edited on 07:39 pm by Lady Cop |
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construct Pioneer100© Member  The Boy Next Door
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Which accreditation standards did the zoo not meet? If the standard had nothing to do with the care and display of tigers, then it would be irrelevant to liability in this (expected) case. I doubt that failure to meet accreditation standards would be enough to establish negligence per se. Right now I don't know enough to establish liability or assign fault. The filing of a lawsuit would allow discovery to begin, and that might help carify some of my puzzlement over this event. A criminal investigation of possible homicide might do the same thing. Edit to add--I'll answer one of my own questions. The wall of the tiger cage was lower than the accreditation recommendation. That would be evidence favoring the plaintiff in a suit against the zoo. Last edited on 09:58 pm by construct |
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well the boys have mark geragos, whose last client, scott peterson, is on death row. big payday coming mark! i wonder how fast he chased that particular ambulance. Tiger Attack Survivors Say Zoo Denied Early Help
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