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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/01/evolution_in_5_minutes.php Good video! Too bad it skipped over the end of the dinosaurs and right into primates. That was not cool. Other than that, I enjoyed it.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Hm.............How did that first fish get here? What's the point of everything growing larger? How did the primates start? It's interesting to watch, but I don't think it's even close to being accurate. It just creates more questions. Sorry Frank! 
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I just thought it was neat to show the transition from fish to land-based animals. 
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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24HourNut wrote: I just thought it was neat to show the transition from fish to land-based animals. It is............ 
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member  Without Jesus we fall short...
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 A movie opening in theaters nationwide today examines how educators and scientists are being ridiculed, denied tenure, and even fired for questioning Darwinism.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote:
I've read a little about this movie. Checked out their website, too. I'm not sure I'll see it, but it's interesting from a strategic point of view. Edited to Add: I think I've made up my mind about seeing it. Here's the NY Times review. It sounds like they could've done a lot better job making their arguments.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Brian, The NY Times review is typical of the left wing press. You might want to check it out anyway and ask yourself why the endorsed view of Creationism of over 60% of the population is being silenced and suppressed in the colleges that should promote free thinking of ideas and all viewpoints in the debate of the Origin of life?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian, Hi, JBF. I'll grant you that a review isn't necessarily the best way to judge a movie''s content. (It's usually a good barometer of whether or not I'd want to see a movie, but that's neither here nor there, for purposes of this discussion.) But I have to tell you that even the trailer kind of gives me the heebie-geeebies. It perpetuates the fallacy that evolution describes where life came from rather than describing the process by which life got to where it is today. As we've discussed before, abiogenesis is not within the domain of evolution. The other problem is that Stein (in the trailer, and apparently in the movie) conflates evolutionary Darwinism with social Darwinism, and even eugenics (which someone who understood anything about how evolution actually works would know is a complete load of crap). Anyway, here's a trailer that exhibits some of these problems:
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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Brian, You are missing the free marketplace of ideas?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian, Not at all, JBF. I support the right of the producers of the movie to make it, distribute it, and for people to see it, if they wish. More power to 'em, in that regard!  The reason I won't see it is because the...ahem...premise of the movie is faulty. Publishing in a scientific journal isn't the same as self-publishing. You don't have a "right" to be published in a scientific journal just because you have an idea. In that regard, I think the movie is wrong-headed. The same goes for tenure. Tenure isn't a right bequeathed on professors from on high, and there's a reason it's not given out lightly: The point of tenuring a professor is to bestow upon the professor wide latitude, such that they have the academic freedom that protects them from being fired for unpopular ideas. Once you give someone tenure, it's difficult to give them the boot. So again, you're not talking about a right here. No one's owed tenure. In short, it's not enough to have a novel idea. To get published in a scientific journal, it first and foremost has to be a scientifically rigorous idea. "We can't figure it out, so it must be God" isn't scientifically rigorous. "This is a phenomenon that is not understood, and merits further study" would be a scientific statement, in such a situation. That's not to say that every phenomenon necessarily has a scientific explanation that can be ascertained. There are certain things we're never going to know (e.g., what existed "before" the singularity that created the Big Bang?). But it is to say that any explanation that relies upon a lack of data isn't scientific, by definition.
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Brian, The simple point is this: Creationism and Evolution are the two main arguments for the origins of life. Therefore, both must be looked at and discussed in the academic free marketplace of ideas and not one used and the other censored. It is man's attempts of suppressing God and His creation by making man in man's own image. We so desperately look into the eyes of a monkey to avoid looking into the eyes of God.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian, Actually, it's not monkeys. It's great apes.  Monkeys are on a different branch (uh, so to speak...).The problem isn't in teaching about creationism. The problem is in teaching about both of them as if they're both scientific explanations. Creationism properly belongs in a theology or philosophy class. Teaching creationism in a science class is like an anthropologist going to a church and teaching the congregants that there's a psychological reason for the development of theism. As I've said before, I think science classrooms do have to come to terms with creationism. The current policy of acting as if creationism doesn't exist is wrong-headed, because it doesn't educate students, and leaves them open to all manner of fallacies. But creationism should be referenced the same way Lamarckian evolution or spontaneous generation are referenced. You don't have to reference it as if it deserves equal weight, but you do have to address the common creationist arguments, because it's not like students won't hear them outside the classroom.
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Creationism is totally subjective and faith-based and nothing about it can be proved. Evolution is scientific-based with a mountain of overlapping lines of scientific evidence to explain where the variety of species comes from.
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian, I agree! Why on earth would you not have a good discussion about BOTH in school? You can't just sweep the Creation under a rug, and say it doesn't exist. People should be given the chance to learn and discover this subject for themselves. If in fact Evolution were to be the winner, then what are they worried about? Creationism should have the chance to have equal time here! It's not as though it's a new subject. These are THE two subjects.
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foxglovepress wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Brian, That's because Creationism is a religion or faith, and should be discussed in a classroom or school suited for it. Discussing science and where humans came from as you go back in time is for a science-based class. That's my take on it, anyway. If you start bringing in "Well science can't explain it so let's discuss God as the possibility" now opens up all the other "could be" explanations whenever there is no current answer for something and you just want to discuss things there is no evidence for, that just exist in your head so to speak. That is not science. Even Thomas Jefferson and other Founders said religion muddies the sciences, which is part of the reason that he purposefully kept religious instruction out of the first public school system he designed. He was revolutionary and radical for his day, like many of the other Founders who were fending off organized religion's effort to get in bed with Government and schools whenever they could. In this day and age we don't have to muddy sciences just because people have faith in various things.
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