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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Brian wrote: foxglovepress wrote:24HourNut wrote:Brian, yes I agree, I took her differently for some reason. My bad! science classes study the results once they've been confirmed. Now THAT makes sense to me. So what I'm meaning then is actually, that there should be Research science classes where they look for proof ? I'm not so sure that science has proved at all that man came from primates though, so that shouldn't really be confirmed or discussed in a science class either, right?
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foxglovepress wrote: Brian wrote:foxglovepress wrote:24HourNut wrote:Brian, yes I agree, I took her differently for some reason. My bad! Well, there really isn't such a thing as a "research science class". Scientific research is done by academics, certainly, but they're not "classes", as such. They're just people working on their doctorates or doing other research for publication purposes. (Publish or perish, that kind of thing...). Classes are for instruction, and you can't instruct until you do the research. Now, "proved" is a difficult concept. Whether or not man coming from earlier primates (man is a primate himself) is "proven" depends on what you mean by "proof". In mathematics, a proof involves certainty (e.g., A squared + B squared = C squared). Scientific theories don't get that kind of proof -- ever. The Theory of Gravity is "proven" to the extent that it works, it explains the phoneomena we see around us, and the numbers add up. But that doesn't mean that new information won't come in, and we won't need to change the theory (e.g., it's not well-understood how gravity works inside a black hole, from what I remember). In the same way, the broad outlines of descent from lower primates is "proven" by DNA analysis and archaeology. That doesn't mean, though, that you could put a time-lapsed movie together (like the one that started this thread) and that the details would be 100% accurate. Science is always looking for a deeper understanding of how things work, and since the evolutionary tree has a lot of branching and splitting off (not to mention dead ends) there's a lot of exploration to be done.
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Saint Forum-Blogger© Pioneer100© Member  Polymath
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Why on earth would you not have a good discussion about BOTH in school? You can't just sweep the Creation under a rug, and say it doesn't exist. TWEEET! Foul ball! You just subconciously assumed that Christianity is the only acceptable religion to teach in schools, yet I have a very nice Hindu student in my class right now. His parents are doctors and good Americans. Did Krishna create the Earth? OK. What religion should we teach? Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Oh, of course! “In God We Trust!” It’s got to be Christianity! America is overwhelmingly Christian after all. Fine, which version of Christianity should we teach? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Catholic? (It is the oldest after all) Are Mormons Christian? Are you starting to get my point? No matter what the schools did, they'd never please everybody. Perhaps they’re worried that Christian values and morals aren’t being taught to young people. They shouldn’t worry another second. Every teacher I've ever met has modeled and practiced nothing but the best of Christian virtues: honesty, integrity, respect, and dignity. But who will teach Creation and religion if not the schools, you ask? Simple. The family and the Church. Who better to teach these things than the people that care the most about the children, their parents. Where better to learn than the Church? The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't like their religion being controlled and dictated by the state. George Washington didn't like it. Thomas Jefferson didn't like it. Trust me, you won't like it either. Creationism is best taught at church.
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Saint wrote: Why on earth would you not have a good discussion about BOTH in school? You can't just sweep the Creation under a rug, and say it doesn't exist. Is there any credibility that Krishna created the earth? It's not religion Saint that is the foundation of creation. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 It didn't just happen by chance and toss in a few billion years to make it sound more possible. If I throw up on the ground will it evolve back into what I ate as a whole?
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Saint wrote:Why on earth would you not have a good discussion about BOTH in school? You can't just sweep the Creation under a rug, and say it doesn't exist. If it does, I would suggest you chew more thoroughly next time.  Evolution (as we've been over several times now) is not a totally random process. There are constraints on what possible outcomes there are. If you roll a 6-sided die, there's no chance you'll ever roll a 7. A fruit fly will never give birth to a human. When you think about evolution, you have to realize that there are all kinds of restraints on randomness. Not just anything can happen, which is why it's a slow process.
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The elevations of the reproductive systems just came about that way I suppose because these genes got together and had a party and said, "Hey guys, let's place the female part and the male part at the same location and elevation to make the reproductive process more comfortable for both the humans.
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Brian wrote: A fruit fly will never give birth to a human. Why not? Simply add a few more billion years and maybe a few more and it might happen?
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Brian wrote: A fruit fly will never give birth to a human. The main reason is anatomical. Fruit flies are much to small to give birth to humans. And of course, as mammals, humans go through live births. Fruit flies deposit eggs. Remember, I didn't say a fruit fly could never evolve into a human, given enough time. I specified birth. If Generation 1 is a fruit fly, Generation 2 won't be human, because it can't. There are all kinds of physical and chemical boundaries to what's possible in biology. It's no more possible to have a fruit fly give birth to a human than it is to mix 2 parts hydrogen with 1 part oxygen and get salt.
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