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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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Is it reasonable to switch our cars now to types less dependent upon gasoline? Are hybrids, for example, an alternative that does not cost the consumer more to both fuel up and maintain during the year?
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  NON-PC!!
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Take a peek at this Frank! http://www.afstrinitypower.com/video.htm
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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Cool - thanks, Fox!
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member  Witty clever title pending
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I think he problem with breaking the dependence that we have on oil is multi-faceted. People want a magic pill. They want one single solution that doesn't cost them anything, including the effort to change. They want to be spoon-fed the solution and they don't want to have to do anything for it. Change - particularly change that is this fundamental - is never easy. Moving to a completely new energy paradigm will take effort and probably some discomfort on everyone's part. It's also not going to be a single solution. Changing how we power our homes, our cars, and our consumption will take a many-pronged attack. From conservation - extremely difficult to sell in this conspicuous consumer society - to multiple streams of alternative energy production. Wind, solar, nuclear, fuel cells, and more; all of these can and should be exploited. Part of the whole problem here is that we are dependent on a single form of energy production, and when the props get kicked out from underneath that single form, the whole system completely shuts down. In my opinion, what is going to cause a big shift in the thinking is not gas, but plastic. Plastic is a petroleum product as well, and it is integral to so many things, so much of our "STUFF", that when its production is threatened, that will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Think about a world without plastic. Just think about it for a little while. The thing is, even with oil at $150 a barrel, it's still the cheapest, easiest source of energy out there. It's what people are used to, and it's easier for them to shell out a little more cash than it is to contemplate a shift in their basic perceptions. So to answer your question, Frank, yes...I think the shift in thinking, even if it happens now (which it isn't), is about ten years later than it should have happened. I'm seriously going to look at hybrids for my next car. Of course, the only trouble with that is they haven't been around long enough to produce a big pool of used ones, and I don't buy new cars. But that's a different discussion ;) Last edited on 04:11 pm by Erinna1112 |
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24HourNut wrote: Is it reasonable to switch our cars now to types less dependent upon gasoline? Are hybrids, for example, an alternative that does not cost the consumer more to both fuel up and maintain during the year? I saw a commercial last night from toyota. The prius is suppose to get 48 miles to the gallon. The yaris 39. The camry 30. The corolla 35. The last 2 are not hybrids, but I think the camry comes in a hybrid if you want one. I don't know how accurate the milage actually is, but, when I was shopping for a car about a year and a half ago, I checked Consumer Reports, and the milage was not what they advertise it to be. We are stuck with a 2006 dodge ram that gets a whopping 13 miles to the gallon. My husband has since gotten a 2003 ford ranger to get to work and back. It gets 30 miles to the gallon. The other truck is sitting in the front yard with a for sale sign on it.....I'm not understanding why we hav'nt had any takers...  I'm sure it will be sitting in a boneyard sometime in the near future with all the other big trucks and suvs. The guy who sold us the ranger said that big trucks are selling for $3500 less than wholesale at the auctions now. Also, if you buy a hybrid now, realize they have jacked the prices way up now that they are in such high demand. And, there is a 2 or 3 month waiting period to get one. At least that's how it is in my area at the moment.
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foxglovepress Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member NON-PC!!
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dazdncnfsd wrote: 24HourNut wrote:Is it reasonable to switch our cars now to types less dependent upon gasoline? Are hybrids, for example, an alternative that does not cost the consumer more to both fuel up and maintain during the year? Wouldn't ya just know.......I have a 2001 Dodge Durango 5.9 R/T, bought it brand new! Have it all paid off, and now I can't afford to put gas in the damn thing! 
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sirlamre Pioneer100© Member Official Forum Troublemaker
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Erinna, I don't think it's fair to expect the consumer to foot the bill for all the changes in cars. I don't think it's fair that for me to want to switch to a high mileage car, I should be expected to make a car payment that's outside my budget--- which is what a payment on any hybrid would be. Also, one of our family cars simply HAS to be able to carry two car seats and a weeks worth of groceries plus the two adults to do the shopping and child-management at the same time. Or go to the doctor, etc-- It's JUST not reasonable to say that "everyone should drive 50mpg subcompacts" and expect entire families and groceries to fit it -- and btw, one of the reasons I buy a week at a time for groceries is BECAUSE it saves me the gas of going every day to the store, which is what I'd have to do in some tiny car. But the carmakers are DETERMINED not to lose ANY profit in selling the new cars --- much less, actually PRODUCING many models of cheaper cars that are high mileage. They are NOT interested in helping the consumer at all by sacrificing profits in order to help consumers who cannot afford two car payments (or even one larger payment)
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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I too am interested in getting a hybrid for our next vehicle.
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Erinna1112 Original500© Member Witty clever title pending
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I didn't say that it was incumbent upon the consumer to foot the bill. What I said was that people are going to have to change, and a lot of people don't like to do so. But never did I say that all of the change needs to come from the automobile industry, nor did I say that all of the cost needs to be borne by the consumer. My post was not specific to automobiles, although I do realize that the thread was so specific. My thoughts are about energy consumption in general; it's going to require a fundamental paradigm shift (if that's not too jargon-y a phrase) and the solution isn't going to come from a single source.
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