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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation 
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Responding to a post about evolution, I stated that human evolution wasn't finished. But now that I'm thinking about it, it's possible that we've reached the end. Consider this: In order for evolution to work its magic, mutations must occur, and they must play themselves out over many generations. But we're now at the point where we can correct birth defects and nip any genetic mutations in the bud (through either genetic counseling or abortion). So my question is, is this it for us? Have we reached the point where we can basically stop evolution in its tracks? And what does that mean for our survival?
 "It's been a long December, and there's reason to believe maybe this year will be better than the last." -- "A Long December", Counting Crows |
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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member  Learning Contentment
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Ever the optimist, I would like to believe we will continue evolving, haha. There are numerous faculties which have not fully taken hold in the human consciousness, for example, that may select for greater occurrence. Assuming paranormal faculties exist (personally, I think they do), it is fair to imagine such faculties will one day be enjoyed by a greater percent of the human population. Of course, I am one of those naive deists, thus I believe God will continue the evolution of the human species until such time as He sees fit for it to stop. Haha. 
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24HourNut Administrator  Body pillows rock!
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bhartman35 wrote: Responding to a post about evolution, I stated that human evolution wasn't finished. But now that I'm thinking about it, it's possible that we've reached the end. I would think the vast majority of the small (especially unharmful) ones don't get caught though. And that's even in the areas where they try to catch them.
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cladking Original500© Member temporal wanderer
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We're done for. We're copies of copies and there is no natural selection except for good driving and large penises. The Y chromosome is breaking down and IQ's are dropping. We weren't all that damn smart to start with. There will be a mutation along but if it survives the offspring won't be true humans. It's hard to believe they won't be killed.
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Britt Forum-Blogger© Original500© Member Learning Contentment
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cladking wrote: We're copies of copies and there is no natural selection except for good driving and large penises. 
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Brian Grand Poobah of Moderation
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24HourNut wrote: bhartman35 wrote:Responding to a post about evolution, I stated that human evolution wasn't finished. But now that I'm thinking about it, it's possible that we've reached the end. Hi, Frank. I can see where this would make sense. The problem I have with it, though, is that when we select for one thing, we might be deselecting for something else. Britt brings up the question of paranormal faculties. What if such faculties are carried on genes which also carry ALS, or some other malevolent disease? What if we're unknowingly throwing the good out with the bad? And, generally speaking, I don't know that we do let through any serious mutations that are unharmful. For example, it's not all that uncommon to be born with extra fingers or toes. We don't necessarily end these pregnancies, but we effectively "correct" the mutation by lopping off the extra appendage. I do think that small variations get through. We have variation all around us. But I think that at the point where the variation is serious enough to warrant attention, we take measures against it (with the exception, of course, of extra-long penises or extra-large breasts ;).)
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Yep, were evolving. But not for the better.  2 Timothy 3:1-5 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men (mankind) will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
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24HourNut Administrator Body pillows rock!
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: Yep, were evolving. I have no idea why you would think that centuries past weren't loaded with far more brutality, slavery, tyrants, animal-like lovers of pleasure, killers, etc. Would you really want to take a chance and be teleported back several centuries or do you think the odds are better for you here and now in terms of being surrounded with "better people?" Most religious leaders of the past, remember, were AOK with being in bed with tyrants, slavery, and killing those of other faiths. There is much less of that barbaric archaic brutality today. And even if people say they love God more that doesn't mean they didn't engage in more "disrespectful" acts - e.g. the culture reflected in the Old Testament. If the people of the past were evolved for the better unlike the people of today, why is it so obvious that practically all Christians would most certainly not want to get teleported back in time to live with them? Or are you talking about a more recent past, where selfish men wouldn't let women vote and religious people all over the place were crying about letting Whites and Blacks marry? We didn't "evolve for the better" from the civil rights movement?
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cladking Original500© Member temporal wanderer
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24HourNut wrote: There is much less of that barbaric archaic brutality today. I don't believe man has ever been more barbaric at any time in the past than he was in the 20th century until today. I believe it started in 1913 when people began to believe that individual actions are predicated on the subconscious mind. It became no longer necessary or appropriate to blame the individual and more effective to blame society, upbringing, the subconscious itself, or circumstances. This has become increasingly insidious in our culture. It is much easier to get people to kill and butcher their neighbors when hatred is accepted, when actions are forgiven, and personal responsibility has no meaning. The past 100 years have been one genocide after another. Wars are more brutal and murder is rampant. Even in our society murderers walk away free by copping a plea while the innocent are prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Individual life and rights no longer have any meaning and have all been cashed in for civil rights. Civilization has always been a thin veneer which is dependent on many givens like people having a fully belly and full gas tank. It tends to break down when these givens no longer pertain. But this veneer gets thinner every day. It gets thinner everytime we let a murderer walk away to kill again it gets thinner everytime a politician sells his soul to the highest bidder.
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JustifiedByFaith Pioneer100© Member Without Jesus we fall short...
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24HourNut wrote: JustifiedByFaith wrote:Yep, were evolving. The point here of course is not past or present but future. The point has nothing to do with the tyrants, slavery or brutality of the past. It appears if one believes in biblical prophesy...we see mankind not bringing (World Peace) as some would hope. And we don't see everyone finally loving each other and caring for the fellow man as some would preach and wish. We see self corruption, greed, selfishness and people who have gone out of control. There is no evolving perfection of self towards goodness or kindness but a culture of selfishness culminating to it's fullest extent.
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JBF, I think we both know that you and practically all Christians would not press the button and take the chance on a teleportation back before 100 years ago. The life expectancy was half of what it was today almost, did you know that? That aside, I don't agree with your assertion that there was less lawlessness and immoral activity back then. The wild west? Slapping your woman around was far more OK. As was racism, slavery, and again, women were so disrespected they couldn't even vote. You mentioned rights: more people have their rights protected and respected in the last 100 years in America that the time before that - especially if you weren't a white male! You mentioned getting away with murder and trials: please! if you weren't white you barely ever got a fair trial even if you made it to trial because you probably beaten and hung by the Sheriff!
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JustifiedByFaith wrote: 24HourNut wrote:JustifiedByFaith wrote:Yep, were evolving. I think what we're actually dealing with is something a little different: Stasis. I see no reason to believe in a glorious, uplifting future where we'll all join hands and sing a rousing chorus of the old Coke jingle ("I'd like to teach the world to sing..."). I also see no reason to believe we're any more depraved and hopeless than our forefathers. We have different antisocial behavior than in years gone by, but I don't think the level has changed one iota. Human nature is what it is. I think people who think human beings are basically good are fools, but we're no worse or better now than we used to be.
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24HourNut wrote: I don't agree with your assertion that there was less lawlessness and immoral activity back then. ...never made such an assertion. The point was future only. Biblical reference to our so-called future development or lack thereof. 
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bhartman35 wrote:
That's a fair assertion 35.
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Whoops, I read Cladking's post as yours, JBF. You did that they we are out of control today in regard to some things so I took you as saying we are worse today than back then. I was commenting on how bad back then was for so many. I notice no one is saying they wish they could be teleported and magically be born to live back then instead of now with the "more in control" people.
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